flash powers give him greater speed. spider man powers are no use to him. ms marvel powers are no use to him. juggernaut gets owned hard. juggernaut is just too dumb to even use it properly and i dont even think he can survive superman going all out on his ass. i always saw juggernaut as someone who is very resistant to physical damage but to some degree. when onslaught threw him across the whole continent he was hurt and then bishop took him out with electricity. nimrod energeticly effected him, many other times juggernaut physically felt the impact. i say superman punch his head off.
Originally posted by JuggernautMania
flash powers give him greater speed. spider man powers are no use to him. ms marvel powers are no use to him. juggernaut gets owned hard. juggernaut is just too dumb to even use it properly and i dont even think he can survive superman going all out on his ass. i always saw juggernaut as someone who is very resistant to physical damage but to some degree. when onslaught threw him across the whole continent he was hurt and then bishop took him out with electricity. nimrod energeticly effected him, many other times juggernaut physically felt the impact. i say superman punch his head off.
Yeah and Juggernaut has also always been a magical creature. He is faster than they are, and if this is Cain at his best, before the nerf he wins this easily. They won't be able to hurt him. Thor hit him, and it did absolutely nothing to him. Superman may hit harder than Thor, but not to the point that he's taking someone down that is this durable, has a Spider Sense, moves faster than he does, and can absorb any energy attack that Superman throws at him. Adding to all of that. he won't tire the way Flash does.
The only thing that would happen is that if Superman punched him, he would end up breaking his own hand, and that's if he manages to hit him. Juggernaut isn't the brightest, but he's far from this poor picture that you're painting of him.
Originally posted by Bentley
Marco is too stupid. He loses everytime.
What? Are they putting together some science puzzle? Is Diana going to show him her titties, while Kal gets on his knees for the old push him over prank? No, this is a fight, Cain knows how to fight, and there is no way that they will hurt him at his best, which will be him at his 8th Day levels. Plus he has the speed of the Flash, and other powers. Why in the hell would he not know how to use his abilities? Is this the only argument that can be used against him? We will assume that he knows how all of his powers work, and that he is not Drax the Destroyer in his infantile form, which he never has been.
Cain has the intellect of a 9th or 10th grader, so unless there are mentally challenged 9th or 10th graders out there, let's assume that he can at least speak, and formulate a plan to take a match that would be his to lose.
Yes, agreed. But his speed is nothing that pre DCnU Superman can't handle, plus, h e wouldn't be pulling some of the weirder uses of the Flash powers that Wally took aaages to learn, and Barry couldn't replicate, you see what I mean?
Bart as an adult Flash could do things as a kid no other Flash could replicate etc etc.
If all he's doing is running fast, and super speed punching, Superman and WW could pull a win (haxx lasso that she used). She's definitely, for example, managed to lasso a speeding Flash who had forgotten how to slow down (so an inexperienced Flash who was going at speed).
Superman obviously has kept up with Flash before.
So they could pull a win.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, agreed. But his speed is nothing that pre DCnU Superman can't handle, plus, h e wouldn't be pulling some of the weirder uses of the Flash powers that Wally took aaages to learn, and Barry couldn't replicate, you see what I mean?Bart as an adult Flash could do things as a kid no other Flash could replicate etc etc.
If all he's doing is running fast, and super speed punching, Superman and WW could pull a win (haxx lasso that she used). She's definitely, for example, managed to lasso a speeding Flash who had forgotten how to slow down (so an inexperienced Flash who was going at speed).
Superman obviously has kept up with Flash before.
So they could pull a win.
He has an indestructible body, he should be able to do what no other toon that had the speed force can do, he will not run out of energy, and need 40 burgers to replenish himself when he is spent, because he never will be spent.
Diana's lasso is not guaranteed to work on him, he is unstoppable, so this is an argument that shouldn't be pressed. The only thing that limited the previous speed force users were their own mental hang ups, Cain won't have any, because he won't possess the same fear of hurting himself as an average person would. He would likely push the limits.
He wouldn't just be running fast, and throwing punches, he would know that they were going to do something before they did it, (due to the spider sense) and have the speed advantage to avoid anything that they could throw at him, and even if they connected, it would not stop him. He would pulverize them.
The lasso (pre) compels people to obey WW. Yes, he's unstoppable, but he can stop himself, no? Otherwise, once he runs, he'll never ever ever stop, and we know he does, because he sometimes stands around etc.
And it wasn't just mental limits that stopped them. Speed steals etc were tricks that the Flashes learnt to do.
But I take your point about the precog as well.
I'm saying that he may be immune to the lasso's effects, which is why this subject shouldn't be pressed (it's an unknown, and baseless claim).
I really think that this team would need help against him, and even then, he would be a mega team wrecker. Just think of how much more power that he would have with the replicated powers added to his own. People say that Ms. marvel's powers would be useless, but in Cain's stronger body, her blasts would be much more potent, as well as his ability to absorb energy thrown at him. There's a possibility that if he absorbed enough he could go into a sort of Binary form.
Think what you want, but the duo should not win this. They should be beaten rather easily.