Originally posted by h1a8
Spidey would give him pre-cog. He wouldn't have to react. He would just move before the attack started. Or stop the attack before it began.Jugg stomps hard.
Flash speed makes precog pointless. It's also slower than Wonder Woman and Superman speed. Remember, speed demon was moving faster than Spidermans spider sense.
Originally posted by carver9
But you also have to take into consideration that Flash never went all out against Superman. When he did, the speed difference was, how can I say it, substantial, aka, insane.
Originally posted by carver9
When was it stated he was operating at light speed when fighting? Everyone and their grandma has been asking for this. Scans.
Also Flash going faster than he has ever gone was noticed by Superman.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=FC07-012.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=FC07-013.jpg
So, no. Flash's speed gap isn't substantial while he doesn't enter speed force. Although I know you'll forget them one hour later from now.
Originally posted by carver9
I understood what the comic was trying to tell us when Flash smoked him. Why didn't you grasp it?
And notice how Flashes had to go faster than they had ever gone to enter the personal singularity of Darkseid?
http://i.imgur.com/bTTGYKl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0ftYh3c.jpg
Superman matched their speed by entering the singularity. Suck on it flash fanboys.
Originally posted by JuggernautMania
i dont believe there are flash fanboys in here. i believe its the hatered to superman that fuels people to make such arguments. funniest thing is if any marvel top herald would have 50% of the showings superman has, they would place that character as trans already.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only when he entered in the speed force, before that Superman was matching him just fine.
I've posted the scans several times. Nth times is the charm as they say.Also Flash going faster than he has ever gone was noticed by Superman.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=FC07-012.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=FC07-013.jpgSo, no. Flash's speed gap isn't substantial while he doesn't enter speed force. Although I know you'll forget them one hour later from now.
The comic said that Flash while entering speed force is faster than Superman and Superman/Flash are evenly matched without that.
Superman didn't see Flash during that instance, crazy. Flash had to REACH DARKSEID by going beyond the speed of light, that doesn't mean he had to outrace the Omegas at the same speed, crazy, and you better not say the Omegas are FTL.
Nice speed ft for Superman keeping up with a moving Flash that was mind controlled. How fast was flash going during that instance, and you better not base that off the statement of him SINGING/SPEAKING at a certain speed.
I agree though, Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman has kept up with Flash, doesn't mean they are on or even close to his level as proven when he really goes all out.
Also, when was it said he used the speed force during that instance? Maybe I missed something?
Originally posted by Stoic
He also has his helmet on, with precog abilities, and is faster than both of them combined. He could reverse Diana's move, and tie her up while he takes her half a world away KO'ing her only to be right back in Superman's face an instant later. They would be like statues if he poured it on. To assume, or pretend that he does not know how to use the powers is pretty silly tbh. Do you think Supermex just decided to give him these powers, and he would not know how to use them?He never has to allow either of these guys to touch him, and all of his weaknesses are shored up, as far as these two go. They lose, unless he allows them to win. they would have a tough time with 8th Day Juggernaut alone, and now he is given the power to give Tyrant a run, and you think that these two will somehow pull off a win? Wow.
So you drop the "cannot be affected by the lasso because we aren't sure it would work" nonsense?
Anyways, I think it's expected for Marco to do worse than Flash when using his powers, Flash has a powerset that actually needs creativity and effort frot it's users as it was made clear by Wally's experience. If this was Flash with Juggernaut's power the situation would be inversed, Wally would be an inferior Juggernaut (think of Colossusnaut) because he isn't used to those powers. If the OP decides Marco gets full control of those abilities, then he's essentially dropping Marco and making a superior character.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman didn't see Flash during that instance, crazy. Flash had to REACH DARKSEID by going beyond the speed of light, that doesn't mean he had to outrace the Omegas at the same speed, crazy, and you better not say the Omegas are FTL.Nice speed ft for Superman keeping up with a moving Flash that was mind controlled. How fast was flash going during that instance, and you better not base that off the statement of him SINGING/SPEAKING at a certain speed.
I agree though, Superman, Martian Manhunter, and Wonder Woman has kept up with Flash, doesn't mean they are on or even close to his level as proven when he really goes all out.
Also, when was it said he used the speed force during that instance? Maybe I missed something?
Why not? You can't talk at hyperspeed without being at hyperspeed yourself.
Flash had ditched everyone else at that point when Superman matched him.
Flash entered Speed Force after "they were for charity" line. It only shows Flash is faster than Superman when he enters Speed Force. Without it, he was matched by Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Superman recognizes and mutters "Barry Allen" as Flashes went by FTL as Black Racer was hot on their heels. If they had slowed down, Black Racer would've caught them. Even by your standards, that's stupid. Flash had to go faster than EVER to reach darkseid and Superman reached Darkseid from outside too. Guess you can't add 2+2.Why not? You can't talk at hyperspeed without being at hyperspeed yourself.
Flash had ditched everyone else at that point when Superman matched him.
Flash entered Speed Force after "they were for charity" line. It only shows Flash is faster than Superman when he enters Speed Force. Without it, he was matched by Superman.
Even though Wally said time stops at light speed? Ok. I admit though, it's a good showing for Supes to see them while they were moving at high velocity. That's not one of his best perception ft though. He could've heard them talking as well.
Lol...Flash has stood still while talking at super speed. That doesn't mean anything ABHI.
Flash didn't ditch everyone else, what I got from it is, they gave Superman and Flash space to talk.
Show me him using the speed force during that instance when he smoked Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Show me him using the speed force during that instance when he smoked Superman.
Writer's intent, that Flash at normal levels is Superman level speed, then when he kicks it up to the next gear, he leaves him behind 😠 😠
All moot, anyway, as Sin said, MArko isn't even proficient in Juggy powers, let alone Flash.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer's intent, that Flash at normal levels is Superman level speed, then when he kicks it up to the next gear, he leaves him behind 😠 😠All moot, anyway, as Sin said, MArko isn't even proficient in Juggy powers, let alone Flash.
😂 I'm just asking for proof that he used it during that instance. I don't think Flash is Superman level before using the speed force. I think he is far above it.
Originally posted by carver9
Even though Wally said time stops at light speed? Ok. I admit though, it's a good showing for Supes to see them while they were moving at high velocity. That's not one of his best perception ft though. He could've heard them talking as well.Lol...Flash has stood still while talking at super speed. That doesn't mean anything ABHI.
Flash didn't ditch everyone else, what I got from it is, they gave Superman and Flash space to talk.
Show me him using the speed force during that instance when he smoked Superman.
Flash has never talked at hyperspeed without going at hyperspeed. You have to stop this BS.
Hahaha, you would do everything to lowball Superman. Face it, wonder woman got smoked like a ***** and Superman matched Barry.
Just after that scan, this happens.
So you can see Flash having to enter speed force to outrun Superman. Not bad for Superman.
