JUGGERNUAT Vs SUPERMAN AND WONDER WOMAN

None of this matters.

OP could give Juggy a GL ring, but without training/creativity/willpower, its useless. Even if had, it takes a certain willpower to do so (c.f. Green Arrow).

We don't automatically share out all GL feats from Hal, do we?

Same with Flash. Am assuming Juggy is at LEAST moving faster, far faster, than he ever has. But to give him Wally/Barry level control, when I could just as easily give him Jay Garrick level control, is silly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman didn't hear them talking, he scanned flash and found out its Barry. That was Flashes going FASTER than they ever had and Superman wasn't a statue.

Flash has never talked at hyperspeed without going at hyperspeed. You have to stop this BS.

Hahaha, you would do everything to lowball Superman. Face it, wonder woman got smoked like a ***** and Superman matched Barry.

Just after that scan, this happens.

So you can see Flash having to enter speed force to outrun Superman. Not bad for Superman.

But Flash saying that time stops when achieving light speed.

Flash has talked at super speed while standing still, crazy. Him and Superman just did that in a diner, after the scans you posted. Sitting at a table, talking at super speed without moving a leg muscle.

Wonder Woman has kept up with the Flashes on many of occasions. Be quiet.

Post the scan before the scan you posted.

Originally posted by carver9
But Flash saying that time stops when achieving light speed.

Flash has talked at super speed while standing still, crazy. Him and Superman just did that in a diner, after the scans you posted. Sitting at a table, talking at super speed without moving a leg muscle.

Wonder Woman has kept up with the Flashes on many of occasions. Be quiet.

Post the scan before the scan you posted.

Not on hyperspeeds. They were talking at the same speed as their body were speeded up. Barry was eating at super speed.

No, she hasn't. Barry has owned her several times. Heck a clone of Barry Allen has blitzed her like nothing.

Damn, Barry ****ing owned wonder woman not even going at full speed. He could only do that to superman when he entered speed force.

Juggernaut in a stomp. Neither Superman nor Wonder Woman is a match for flashes speed. I could drive beside a dragster at 100 mph until the driver gets tired of playing with me. Flash DOES NOT dust superman or WW until he gets tired of playing with them. They are his friends, the reason flash in on their team is because when a level of speed that would make every other member look stupid, Flash gets the call.

😂

Superman matched their fastest speed in final crisis by their own words. It doesn't gets more clear than that.

Superman would never in his life be able to save those people that flash saved from that explosion by carrying one or two people at a time. This is pure comedy thinking that superman is flash equal in speed. 😕

I love how abhi keeps posting proof that's casually ignored for assinine baseless opinions. KMC Debating at its finest. 👆

And i love how people twist scans and get corrected. Superman is not as fast as flash and neither is wonder woman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146755/2831514-wwvf2.png

Heres proof of WW comparing herself to flash. We all know that WW is faster in combat than superman ( for some strange reason that proof gets hated on ) Flash is the fast member of the JLA period. Thats his position in the group. WOW! To claim that superman is as fast as flash completely nullify flashes position an speaks volume about knowledge of a character in a group that consists of superman and wonder woman and is PLAINLY stated that flash is the FASTEST of them all. As i stated before... Comedy at its best.

Not that it matters. Marko wouldn't be able to tap fully into it due to his dumb nature.

Hell, even when he was upgraded as Kuurth, his dumbness held him back. He could fly etc, but chose not to,because that's what he was used to.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hell, even when he was upgraded as Kuurth, his dumbness held him back. He could fly etc, but chose not to,because that's what he was used to.

He flew when he wanted to..

There was no need for him to fly since he was leaving his fear mark on the ground with every footstep. Then, that wasn't Cain, at all. Nothing about him was Cain.

Evidence of Cain being intelligent with his powers?

Originally posted by JBL
And i love how people twist scans and get corrected. Superman is not as fast as flash and neither is wonder woman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146755/2831514-wwvf2.png

Heres proof of WW comparing herself to flash. We all know that WW is faster in combat than superman ( for some strange reason that proof gets hated on ) Flash is the fast member of the JLA period. Thats his position in the group. WOW! To claim that superman is as fast as flash completely nullify flashes position an speaks volume about knowledge of a character in a group that consists of superman and wonder woman and is PLAINLY stated that flash is the FASTEST of them all. As i stated before... Comedy at its best.

the proof is there though ^ . Unles he taps into the SF Superman and Flash have comparable speed. Chock it up to his dynamic powerset, hate all you want but thats just how uber that <S> shield is. And the naysayers are totally disregarding the fact that Cain has NEVER used his powers in a creative or innovative manner. Let alone master a totally new powerset while fighting two top tier opponents

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Are you guys forgeting he can also fly, whilst also having the acrobatic graces of spiderman?

even if he doesnt get full mastery of all the powers he should be fast and agile enough to get all the licks in whilst avoiding the two

Spiderman's powers are moot at that level of play

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Evidence of Cain being intelligent with his powers?

I see that there is a lot of evidence of you ignoring the idea that he would know how to use his powers. Who cares if he uses flight? Maybe he doesn't like the Tinkerbell feeling, maybe he prefers to keep his feet on the ground, or the writers themselves felt that he would be less Juggernaut if he flew.

This is no excuse for you to continue saying the same bullshit page after page. You want us to believe that, yes he has super speed, but he can not run fast, he has a spider sense, but he does not know how to use it, while it is an innate ability (it works on its own), you want us to believe that he does not know that he can turn into a magical Binary type of being, even though he was jumping up and down when he realized that he could increase his power dramatically?

You're wasting time, and the head game should end, because I realize that this is what you are doing. Are you calling Cain dumb, or the people that are forced to read your opinion on this? I thought that we got to the point that he knows how to use the effing powers? No seriously though. Supermex gave him powers that he does not have an inkling of how to phucking use!!!

Juggernaut probably loses

1.http://s615.photobucket.com/user/ScarletSpeed/media/Superman709-025.jpg.html

2.http://i.imgur.com/lXPCLin.jpg

3.http://www.4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/flash-only-01.jpg

No one is saying superman is slow, but he's no flash either. Juggernaut would destroy both superman and WW with flash speed.

Originally posted by JBL
1.http://s615.photobucket.com/user/ScarletSpeed/media/Superman709-025.jpg.html

2.http://i.imgur.com/lXPCLin.jpg

3.http://www.4thletter.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/flash-only-01.jpg

No one is saying superman is slow, but he's no flash either. Juggernaut would destroy both superman and WW with flash speed.

Exactly. They have no answer for all of his defenses in the first place. Giving him this kind of speed makes their chances even lower. I can see how a writer would give the duo the win, but in a forum, where PIS is limited to zilch, they lose.