1) This one for me is the trickiest. Most people would probably give Diana the edge due to skill, but I'd like to see some argument supporting that even when limiting this to Young Thor. His combat skills are most highlighted during this period as it was before he received Mjolnir and he's done pretty much everything Diana has in the new 52. But this could just be my ignorance as I haven't been keeping up with all the titles. I'd have called it a split but I think Thor's plot device axe is too big of an edge.
2) Wonder Woman can fly which gives her a great advantage like Gorr had, but a hit from his lightning, and it's game over. I'd have given Diana the edge but after his later fight with Gorr where he was keeping pace with the other two Thor's and leaping into orbit (Maybe even planetary distances?) or whatever, I'd give him the edge.
3) Diana. Even at this level, I think Thor is probably more durable, as strong, and as we've seen, definitely skilled. Diana hasn't lived nearly as long as even this version but I think she's more experienced in fighting skilled opponents that have powerful stats and is faster.
Diana in all 3.
1) Diana is more powerful than the Valkyrie's that were able to handle young Thor in the fraction series.
2) Rebel Thor will only utilize the lightning after he goes into fisticuffs. Diana is the better strategist and her flight can be used to blitz the Odinson.
3) Diana humbles the Odinson with a Tiger-driver!
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Diana in all 3.1) Diana is more powerful than the Valkyrie's that were able to handle young Thor in the fraction series.
I don't know why you're acting like a -high end- Valkyrie giving Thor a fight is somehow something to be ashamed about:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor proceeds to ravage across the Nine Worlds for forty days and forty nights (Seems to really love doing that) and fights Valkyrie:
"In tandem, they create a symphony of violence rarely seen in any of the Nine Worls. Let alone created by only two people."
Even less has challenged Diana. Not to mention she started the fight with a massive cheap shot and Thor had been raging across the Nine World for 40 days and 40 nights straight.
In that same series, Thor took on Odin in the Destroyer armor:
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor vs. the Odin-Destroyer itself, fights rarely get better then this:
Sure, he got rofl stomped, but even lasting as long as he did and taking that beating as well as he did is a pretty ridiculous feat imho. Diana, WITHOUT her gauntlets, folded just as quickly and from even less attacks, against the First Born.
No idea why anyone would reference this comic as evidence of Diana's superiority. 😬 Lol.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Diana is superior to the Valkyrie the Blonde whore faced.That would be the reason. Lol.
They had an evenish fight for a few pages and she didn't even beat him. How is that grounds for any sign of superiority for Diana?
We've seen Diana sparring evenly with random Amazonians.
A full power immortal Valkyrie has demonstrated Herald level capabilities over the years. A good reference would be in Fear Itself when she faced the Serpent's Destroyer armor (Who was wielding the power of all the Worthy hammers) or current Valkyrie who can rage out to access her true form (In which she stomped a bunch of heroes including She-Hulk and Hippolyta, who alone was powerful enough to stomp Ares in AoU for some comparison).
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They had an evenish fight for a few pages and she didn't even beat him. How is that grounds for any sign of superiority for Diana?Just this week, Diana had a brief back and forth with some Amazonian. It's far from impossible for Brunhilda to give Diana a hell of a fight, especially in the DCnU.
A full power immortal Valkyrie has demonstrated Herald level capabilities over the years. A good reference would be in Fear Itself when she faced the Serpent's Destroyer armor (Who was wielding the power of all the Worthy hammers) or current Valkyrie who can rage out to access her true form (In which she stomped a bunch of heroes including She-Hulk and Hippolyta, who alone was powerful enough to stomp Ares in AoU for some comparison).
In my appraisal of the 3 scenarios I always referenced young Thor's mentality as well. Explicitly so in the third but it was a key point for all outcomes.
Thor was an absolute brawler and near berserker in the Fraction mini(Zircher's art was great!). In a fight against Diana this is an obstacle he won't be able to overcome.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
In my appraisal of the 3 scenarios I always referenced young Thor's mentality as well. Explicitly so in the third but it was a key point for all outcomes.Thor was an absolute brawler and near berserker in the Fraction mini(Zircher's art was great!). In a fight against Diana this is an obstacle he won't be able to overcome.
Yea, Fraction Thor's a brawler and a psycho but that doesn't hinder him in combat.
For example, here's young Thor under Fraction as well using skill:
But this reasoning I can agree with. Thor's temper causing him to get reckless or something etc. The earlier argument about the Valkyrie is stupid however imho.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Young Thor is below herald level in strength/durability. I don't think apocalypse would kill diana in three blows when about hundred blows from Faora couldn't.😬
Or maybe Apocalypse was above herald level? He was rocking Celestial armor after all.
You mean the same Young Thor who not only survived being attacked and tortured by Gorr, but dove into the heart of a goddamn Star? Perhaps even a black hole.
Also, despite what the narration said, Thor bounced back from all of Apocalypse' attacks. Including Apocalypse chucking his axe into his chest. If he lacked anything in sturdiness, he more then made up for it in perseverance.
In that same vein, Wonder Woman BROKE her arms blocking a punch from Doomsday. She was also in in critical condition from her first fight against First Born and Artemis.
Look, I'm not saying Young Thor's record is completely spotless or that he's on par with his fully grown incarnation, but the same isn't true for Diana in either categories so trying to write off Young Thor due to one showing is imho silly. If you think Diana wins, that's fine, but try and be objective please.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, Fraction Thor's a brawler and a psycho but that doesn't hinder him in combat.For example, here's young Thor under Fraction as well using skill:
But this reasoning I can agree with. Thor's temper causing him to get reckless or something etc. The earlier argument about the Valkyrie is stupid however imho.
Diana IS more powerful than Valkyrie.
In a comprable scenario Diana would've beaten Valkyrie.
If Diana had attacked Thor under similar conditions she would've beaten Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat wasn't ever indicated to having his strength augmented.
Or maybe Apocalypse was above herald level? He was rocking Celestial armor after all.
You mean the same Young Thor who not only survived being attacked and tortured by Gorr, but dove into the heart of a goddamn Star? Perhaps even a black hole.They mean very little and you know it.
Also, despite what the narration said, Thor bounced back from all of Apocalypse' attacks. Including Apocalypse chucking his axe into his chest. If he lacked anything in sturdiness he lacked, he more then made up for it in perseverance.Now you're saying the narration was wrong?
In that same vein, Wonder Woman BROKE her arms blocking a punch from Doomsday.Who is an unknown at this time.
She was also in in critical condition from her first fight against First Born and Artemis.And they will do worse to young Thor.
Look, I'm not saying Young Thor's record is completely spotless or that he's on par with his fully grown incarnation, but the same isn't true for Diana in either categories so trying to write off Young Thor due to one showing is imho silly.But Diana's record against top tiers is pretty much spotless at this time.
