On second thought, why ruin the fun.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNo, its an alternate Galactus as every future story involves alternate characters in marvel. That simple fact has eluded you for so long, its not even funny.
Alternate? Are you implying it's non-canon or something? It happens in the future, but as far as the comics are concerned, it's all canon.
The Thor Force had already awakened when he fought Gorr.And then he performed FAR better than Adult Thor.
If you acknowledge he's a Skyfather with the Thor Force, then why did you call him a Trans a post back?Because he fought Gorr without it for awhile?
You even tried to lowball Gorr but saying the Thor Force was depleted.Did I?
You are so terrible at debating, it's actually funny. 😂You are terrible at everything, but its not funny. Its sad.
No, hyping would be mentioning that Apocalypse -in even less powerful armor- was beating up the Inhumans and a collection of X-men in a story directly referenced by Remender in X-Force so to give us an idea of where he probably considers him.You haven't read the story, have you? Apoc was amped in that story by -something- other than celestial armor. Read the story and find out.
All I'm doing is pointing out that Apocalypse is naturally a Herald level character and was almost certainly above his regular portrayed level so trying to lowball Young Thor through him is ridiculous.Would you say adult Thor would've been in the same position as Young thor?
Superman, especially Post-Crisis Superman has absolutely no relevance here.Shut up, seriously. Only you and your references have relevancy here, don't they?
Skip the red herrings and STICK ON TOPIC.Oh the hypocrisy.
No one cares about Superman, this isn't a thread about Superman. Sure, Superman was above Herald level. He was probably above Galactus!😂
Are you satisfied? Please stop bringing him up.Why? Its so much fun to see you getting riled up.
And beating up Young Thor like he did IS a big deal. We have seen even this specific version of Young Thor display ridiculous durability. And again, Apocalypse was amped and wearing original Celestial armor so it is fairlyFairly what?
Greg Pak specifically references Doomsday's metamorphosis in the arctic which happens like 7 issues later after his encounter with Diana.Issues as time periods? LOL. You never fail to amuse.
The version that Diana encountered did not yet display any form of evolution or power growth.But its evolving, that should explain the power disparity between exoskeleton showing and his thrashing of diana.
Knocking Superman off his feet with a sucker punch is not above Top Tier.Why are you focusing on that?
So wait, Young Thor bounced back now? I thought he was nearly killed in 3 punches. 😐I'm using your own words. Your complete denial of narrative and injecting your own ideas in comics is once again, amusing.
Fine, Doomsday is above Top Tier. Make him Skyfather, I don't give a shit. I don't particularly care where he ranks (Although his fight on Krypton is pretty clear) as long as you stop trying to lowball Thor.Well, you do give a shit.
The story Breevort references is Rage of Thor.He also says about the other oneshots.
That story is 3 years apart and not INCLUDED in Matt Fraction's trilogy Man of War or whatever.Once again, you include your own ideas. Brevoort specifically said that this oneshot is in the same continuity as the other oneshots they had done.
That shit isn't even written by Matt Fraction.It follows a non canon story too.
Contradicting canon does not make a comic non-canon. At best, it makes it a retcon.When the said comic has never been referenced again? Or the writer specifically says not to worry about continuity?
I've already mentioned to you multiple times how Matt Fraction treats the history of the God's. He even specifically mentions how he is exploring Thor's downfall through multiple Ragnarok cycles by adding to the events in Thor #159.And? You can add to the events in a non canon comic too. See what-ifs.
He said you don't have to worry about continuity. How does this prove that it is non-canon? The same has been said about MANY specials over the years.Which contradict the actual established canon? I'm curious.
I get what you're saying. You want to lowball Gorr and argue that he isn't impressive or something when it's been made perfectly clear he is and then some.Forgive me if I don't apply Gorr's showings to his younger self.
And even as far back as when he fought Young Thor, he was already at a level where he'd rape all of the Olympians in Diana's Universe.Suuuuuuuure.
If the only evidence you have of Spectre beating Thor is hierarchy, then you do not know anything about comics. And I don't even know how you think the difference between Thor/Spectre is even remotely comparable to Diana/Thor.Its just an analogy dear rage.
We've seen Young Thor take on Odin, Gorr, Surtur, Ulik etc. 😐And how did his fight with Ulik went?
No because all Prime did was knock Black Adam away who was relatively unharmed. 😬Adam couldn't even hurt prime, Superboy drew blood with punches. Its funny how you take on a single scene and ignore everything else.
And again, just because it is inconvenient, that does not mean you get to ignore Young Thor fairing far better against Gorr then Diana against First Born.I don't. But she fared somewhat lesser than Orion, another top tier. How did Young Thor fare against Gorr compared to adult Thor?
I don't consider DCnU Diana to be on par with her Post-Crisis counterpart, much less Thor.then you'd be wrong.
And again, in comparison to Thor, she has very little tools to defeat him.Her stength and sword are just fine.
She could try but Young Thor has taken a hit from his axe, blows from the Odinsword etc.And cut every time. Are you trying to tell me a sword so sharp that it can cut atoms wouldn't cut his head off combined with her strength?
Not to mention both of them are armed so he can his use his own weapons to defend himself.She can easily block his strikes with her bracers, disarm him and lop his head off. Even plunging the sword in his eye would kill him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And cut every time. Are you trying to tell me a sword so sharp that it can cut atoms wouldn't cut his head off combined with her strength? She can easily block his strikes with her bracers, disarm him and lop his head off. Even plunging the sword in his eye would kill him.
1) Thor has his axe/sword. Wonder Woman has her sword/shield. Pure close combat encounter.
2) Wonder Woman can fly, but, Thor can use his lightning.
3) H2h.
1. Thor - Damage soak is off the charts(especially from cutting weapons). At this point, you would need to cut all his limbs off to beat him.
2. Thor - See previous post this. He takes it hands down.
3. Thor. Better damage soak, more durable, stronger, and just as skilled.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1) Thor has his axe/sword. Wonder Woman has her sword/shield. Pure close combat encounter.2) Wonder Woman can fly, but, Thor can use his lightning.
3) H2h.
1. Thor - Damage soak is off the charts(especially from cutting weapons). At this point, you would need to cut all his limbs off to beat him.
2. Thor - See previous post this. He takes it hands down.3. Thor. Better damage soak, more durable, stronger, and just as skilled.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Or he can just KO her with lightning.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
1) Thor has his axe/sword. Wonder Woman has her sword/shield. Pure close combat encounter.2) Wonder Woman can fly, but, Thor can use his lightning.
3) H2h.
1. Thor - Damage soak is off the charts(especially from cutting weapons). At this point, you would need to cut all his limbs off to beat him.
2. Thor - See previous post this. He takes it hands down.3. Thor. Better damage soak, more durable, stronger, and just as skilled.
And she can easily block the lightning attack with her bracers. I doubt his lightning is more powerful than ****ing omega beams.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073423/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_010.jpg.html
And Mystique took Adult Thor out with a single cutting attack. It goes both ways.
One attack like this and he would go down.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073427/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_011.jpg.html
And a huge lulz @ being stronger, more durable and shit. Has he ever beaten a top tier yet?
Originally posted by abhilegend
And his lightning is powerful enough to knock out several top tiers at once?
So Young Thor is what? Darkseid level in DCnU?And she can easily block the lightning attack with her bracers. I doubt his lightning is more powerful than ****ing omega beams.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073423/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_010.jpg.html
And Mystique took Adult Thor out with a single cutting attack. It goes both ways.
One attack like this and he would go down.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11073427/JusticeLeague_6_TheGroup_011.jpg.html
And a huge lulz @ being stronger, more durable and shit. Has he ever beaten a top tier yet?
Yeah she surprised him with a complete cheap shot. One that he shrugs off like nothing as we later find out. Context bro.
Dude. I just showed you him taking out Gorr. Then again you probably have him as high meta considering your hate for all things Thor.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Oh the way she blocked Ocean Master's lightning right? Now I wonder how she would defend against a big a$$ lightning strike like the one that hit Gorr.Yeah she surprised him with a complete cheap shot. One that he shrugs off like nothing as we later find out. Context bro.
Dude. I just showed you him taking out Gorr. Then again you probably have him as high meta considering your hate for all things Thor.
Cheapshot which was done by a ice shard? How threatening. And he didn't no sell it, he was dropped to his knees with a single attack.
I meant taking on a h2h fight the way you're touting him as stronger, more durable, yadda, yadda, yadda.
But tell me, was Adult Thor able to take out Gorr with that ease? That was a younger, less powerful Gorr with unknown power level at that point. But hey getting taken out by lightning is such a beastly showing, right?
So I was skimming betwixt the last few pages and a couple thoughts popped into my wiener:
Was it ever confirmed that young Thor was actually weaker, as opposed to just not having Mjolnir?
And, was it ever confirmed that Old King Thor was weakened against Gorr? I realize he just got the Thorforce back, but it was never stated to be in a diminished form, just that when he got it it was returning.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So Thor's lightning>Omega beams? She didn't even try to block the lightning, its a very low showing honestly.Cheapshot which was done by a ice shard? How threatening. And he didn't no sell it, he was dropped to his knees with a single attack.
I meant taking on a h2h fight the way you're touting him as stronger, more durable, yadda, yadda, yadda.
But tell me, was Adult Thor able to take out Gorr with that ease? That was a younger, less powerful Gorr with unknown power level at that point. But hey getting taken out by lightning is such a beastly showing, right?
A cheap shot from an ice shard made by an amped iceman. In the end a cheap shot is a cheap shot. Sane people know they can go along way in comics.
I guess going rounds with a more powerful Gorr and Odin Destroyer is not impressive to you.
And though Gorr at that time was not as powerful as he was later on, it still does not erase the fact that he's butchered countless pantheons already.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is getting tedious. What tier do you think young Thor is? Thing, Namor or Hercules? Answer that and we'll take it from there.
I agree but that's no one's fault but yours tbh.
I made it explicitly clear that I do not mind someone giving Diana the edge due to experience or skill or whatever. Maybe its just their gut feeling, maybe they just like her more, whatever, I don't pretend my opinion is the only one that counts.
However your main argument revolves around blatant lowballing and you seem to be under the impression that he CANNOT be on Wonder Woman's level simply based on the fact that he's not on par with his adult version. Which is downright bullshit.
As a matter of fact, if you want, we can battle zone their attributes. 🙂
Hercules level easily. With his axe and weather powers, he'd beat up Hercules tbh.
