Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You mean like you did in here?
I stick by what I said. Debating like that...share the love with other characters. That post didn't have a thing to do with Superman. Especially when I said "debating like that, Surfer can beat ANY Herald l" which include Gladiator and Hulk...not just Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
I stick by what I said. Debating like that...share the love with other characters. That post didn't have a thing to do with Superman. Especially when I said "debating like that, Surfer can beat ANY Herald l" which include Gladiator and Hulk...not just Superman.
No that post was picking and choosing what it suits better your argument, You see "as a norm" certain things and as "lowshowings" other things even though they are practically the same.
lets say Superman getting tagged by sub sonic fighters is a norm but Hulk getting having difficulty with 90 ton foes is just low showing even though it has happened on more than one time.
That is all I am saying you are picking and choosing what suits better your argument and then accuse others of doing the same thing you are doing, Like me "hating" the Hulk or in this case accusing Abhi of picking and choosing when You do it often.
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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
No that post was picking and choosing what it suits better your argument, You see "as a norm" certain things and as "lowshowings" other things even though they are practically the same.lets say Superman getting tagged by sub sonic fighters is a norm but Hulk getting having difficulty with 90 ton foes is just low showing even though it has happened on more than one time.
That is all I am saying you are picking and choosing what suits better your argument and then accuse others of doing the same thing you are doing, Like me "hating" the Hulk or in this case accusing Abhi of picking and choosing when You do it often.
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That's the thing though. I don't debate off of lowshowings. My entire argument was based off of consistency. If Hulk is consistently being owned by Iron fist and an Iron fist and Hulk vs thread was made, what argument do I have to support my stance on Hulk winning? NONE. It's just that simple. If something is consistently happening in comics, Surfer not transforming the air into breathable poisons, trapping people in adamantium, creating black holes around his opponent, energy drain, creating multiple of Surfers during mid battle. Then I'm not going to bring that up in a 10/10 scenario "even though it's within Surfer ability to do all of the these things. Again...This argument isn't about just Superman, my point is as clear as day.
Now what else do you have on me when it's concerning Superman because I brought this up in non related Superman threads as well.
Originally posted by carver9
That's the thing though. I don't debate off of lowshowings. My entire argument was based off of consistency. If Hulk is consistently being owned by Iron fist and an Iron fist and Hulk vs thread was made, what argument do I have to support my stance on Hulk winning? NONE. It's just that simple. If something is consistently happening in comics, Surfer not transforming the air into breathable poisons, trapping people in adamantium, creating black holes around his opponent, energy drain, creating multiple of Surfers during mid battle. Then I'm not going to bring that up in a 10/10 scenario "even though it's within Surfer ability to do all of the these things. Again...This argument isn't about just Superman, my point is as clear as day.Now what else do you have on me when it's concerning Superman because I brought this up in non related Superman threads as well.
umm Hulk has consistently have problems with enemies like Spiderman, Captain America, snakes, big insects and so on. I take it as jobbing for Hulk because Hulk is too strong for those enemies, but apparently this is a norm for you now, unless you are picking and choosing.
So what is it? Superman gets tagged by sub sonic enemies because he is jobbing on a comic just as Hulk jobs to weaker enemies or this is a norm? because if it is, then it means that Hulk can tag Superman but Superman will surely defeat the Hulk seeing how he often has problems with weaker opponents than Superman OR before he gets to be stronger than Superman.
OR, Is only a usable "norm" for Superman but an un-usable "lowshowing" for Hulk? (this is picking and choosing)
ANYWAY you pick will screw your argument.
Originally posted by h1a8riiiiiiiiight, because superman totally hasn't been repeatedly tagged by people that are much slower than Bill. 🙄
Superman wins. He's stronger (in case of grapple), vastly faster (hit Bill more times than Bill hits him and can avoid attacks better than), and his basic power set makes for faster and easier decisions in battle.Bottomline: superman is vastly faster which puts this fight out of reach.
Nu52 Superman has also shown that he totally doesn't get his shit pushed in by weaker but much more skilled characters 🙄
On a more serious note, Bill wins 8/10 but has a fair amount of difficulty with each fight.