Originally posted by Nephthys
Not all rakghouls are that big. Some are like monkeys. ****ing little shits.Jadus is only believed to be second to the Emperor, though I see your point. Put him on the same level as Malgus and Nox. Marr is a relatively unproven power. He's not on par with Malgus unless he actually shows it imo.
Eh not really believed when an Imperial Intelligence officer specifically states it. Also he causes people physical pain by just being in his presence.
Marr is renowned for single handedly routing armies. There's also this.
Sith Empire
The Empire’s position has subtly but significantly improved in recent months. This can be traced primarily to two key factors: collection and utilization of isotope-5, and the overall leadership of Darth Marr.Isotope-5 mining operations are ongoing (see “Makeb” entry, below) and providing the Empire with increasing stores of the unusual material. Despite initial expectations, weaponization has not been the Imperial Science Bureau’s primary research vector. Other developments in energy production and gravity manipulation have taken precedence so far. Prototype iso-5 generators have been activated in fifty-seven planetary garrisons and shipyards, drastically reducing the Empire’s reliance on previously-strained resource lines and boosting available frontline assets by 39.7 percent. (See attached list for full deployment details.)
This conservative, long-term strategy is consistent with other actions carried out at the behest of Darth Marr. Though there is no official leader of the Dark Council, Marr has become an unofficial figurehead for the Empire, using his sway to maintain a semblance of control over most of his fellow Councilors. The unity and cohesiveness brought about by Marr has been a key aspect of the Empire’s continued survival. Though the Republic is still at an overall statistical advantage, the gap is closing.
You don't get to be leader of the Dark Council without being the strongest among them imo.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Eh not really believed when an Imperial Intelligence officer specifically states it. Also he causes people physical pain by just being in his presence.
Considering Jadus is the leader of Imperial Intelligence, that officer isn't going to be the most objective source. Plus characters like Malgus are off doing their own thing.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Marr is renowned for single handedly routing armies. There's also this.You don't get to be leader of the Dark Council without being the strongest among them imo.
Politics. Remember that their was a Sith who was an absolute joke on the Council during Revan. And him "routing armies" is nothing more than rumors.
Malgus has better feats than either of them.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Eh not really believed when an Imperial Intelligence officer specifically states it. Also he causes people physical pain by just being in his presence.Marr is renowned for single handedly routing armies. There's also this.
You don't get to be leader of the Dark Council without being the strongest among them imo.
Imperial Intelligence are not experts on Sith matters. Yeah, Jadus is powerful. He might be the second most powerful. But I'd still bank on Malgus in a fight. As Ares said, Malgus was off doing his own thing for ages. People didn't know how powerful he'd become until he made his move.
It doesn't actually say he did that stuff single-handedly. Its more implied. In fact, one of the battles that earned him his reputation was a fleet battle. Which I doubt he did solo.
Yeah you do. By being by far the most senior and authoritative member. Marr is also the Dark Council member in charge of the defense of the Empire, so its quite natural that he would be in charge at this point in the war.
Also Nox is really the only guy still on the Council or in the Empire I'd say could challenge Marr and they're still extremely new to the Council.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Imperial Intelligence are not experts on Sith matters. Yeah, Jadus is powerful. He might be the second most powerful. But I'd still bank on Malgus in a fight. As Ares said, Malgus was off doing his own thing for ages. People didn't know how powerful he'd become until he made his move.
The point still stands that people suffer in his very presence. That comes off in a very Darth Nihilus' esq manner.
It doesn't actually say he did that stuff single-handedly. In fact, one of the battles that earned him his reputation was a fleet battle. Which I doubt he did solo.
Its heavily implied and sourced on the wiki page.
"He wielded a single red-bladed lightsaber in combat while protected by his specialized suit of Sith battle armor, and his prowess in battle was such that he had a reputation for routing entire armies."
Yeah you do. By being by far the most senior and authoritative member. Marr is also the Dark Council member in charge of the defense of the Empire, so its quite natural that he would be in charge at this point in the war. [/B]
First off Vowrawn has seniority on him. Second the principle of the Sith is that rank=power. There's no way opportunistic bastards like Mortis and Ravage would let Marr lead them if they didn't believe him to be one of the if not the strongest on the council.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
The point still stands that people suffer in his very presence. That comes off in a very Darth Nihilus' esq manner.
Cool. Malgus's feats still blow his out of the water. 😐
Originally posted by Lord Stark
First off Vowrawn has seniority on him. Second the principle of the Sith is that rank=power. There's no way opportunistic bastards like Mortis and Ravage would let Marr lead them if they didn't believe him to be one of the if not the strongest on the council.
Political power. If neither of them have a power base as large as Marr's then aren't going to be able to take him down, even if he is personally weaker then them.
But that's beside the point, even if he is the strongest on the council that doesn't put him beyond Malgus.
Originally posted by ares834
Politics. Remember that their was a Sith who was an absolute joke on the Council during Revan.
He wasn't a joke when he became a member of the Dark Council. He was however a mere shadow of his former-self when he was targeted for assassination by Scourge, decades of heavy dark side practices eventually took a tall on Xedrix's fitness.
Originally posted by ares834
And him "routing armies" is nothing more than rumors.
Darth Marr had fought on the front lines and Republic sources began to report about Marr's prowess:-
"Darth Marr embodied these principles in the Great War against the Republic as he fearlessly battled on the front lines."
Darth Marr was an absolute master of the dark side.
Originally posted by ares834
Malgus has better feats than either of them.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
@Q99A: Yes I agree they're combat-usable, however they require enough energy so that he can't multitask with them.
He was still moving around while doing them on the cultists.
And once the illusion hits, he has a very high chance of preventing further offensive action until either he wins or the illusion is broken.
With Krayt, he tried crippling him with all of his fears and such, a move that I see working fairly well on Thanaton.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Xedrix?He wasn't a joke when he became a member of the Dark Council. He was mere shadow of his former-self when he was targeted for assassination by Scourge, decades of heavy dark side practices eventually took a tall on Xedrix's fitness.
You're point? If Xendrix can remain on the council when being incredibly weak, prowess in battle is clearly not entirely necessary.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This wasn't a rumor.Darth Marr had fought on the front lines and Republic sources began to report about Marr's prowess:-
"Darth Marr embodied these principles in the Great War against the Republic as he fearlessly battled on the front lines."
Darth Marr was an absolute master of the dark side.
He fought on the front lines?! Gosh, what a beast!
If you have enough influence to send assassins who can kill most rivals, you can secure your spot on the council pretty well. If you have enough influence with a fellow dark councilor, they might kill your rivals for you in exchange for protecting them.
Thanaton, while high in potential, really only got into the position via blackmail/trading information. He had a vision that if he *hadn't* used that method, the council would've just used him up and tossed him aside.
This is one of the drawbacks of a 'whoever can take and hold the position' system. It doesn't really matter how you do so, as long as you do so.
Originally posted by ares834
You're point? If Xendrix can remain on the council when being incredibly weak, prowess in battle is clearly not entirely necessary.
Originally posted by ares834
He fought on the front lines?! Gosh, what a beast!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And when Xedrix became vulnerable, what happened? He was eventually assassinated. This is the point, that the Dark Council ensures survival of the fittest only. In-fact, the whole reconstituted Sith Empire had been designed to ensure the survival of the fittest in it.
Eventually, not right away.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You missed the point again, fighting on the front lines reveals that Marr would have routed whole armies at times.
What?! lol
No it doesn't mean that at all. It means he fought at the front, not that he was single handily driving back armies.
Originally posted by ares834
Eventually, not right away.
However, Dark Council members can get eliminated even in straightforward fashion (e.g. Thanaton).
Originally posted by ares834
What?! lolNo it doesn't mean that at all. It means he fought at the front, not that he was single handily driving back armies.