Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanaton isn't anyway near as powerful as Vitiate. They shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.By hype its:
Vitiate
Malgus + Nox (Malgus is perhaps superior)
2nd Emperor's Wrath
Baras + Thanaton
I disagree.
By hype its:
Vitiate
Jadus ("His power is second to the Emperor"😉
Malgus/Marr
Nox/ 2nd Emperor's Wrath
Baras
Thanaton
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'd like to provide my own outlook on the topic:You are a sith lord who has beaten darth zash, shattered stone with lightning, defeated a (force immune) Dashade as an acolyte, defeated a sith lord while you didn't have a connection to the force (Paladius), and have augmented your power with the spirit of two ancient sith lords (Andru and Ergast). Soon after these events, you get stomped by Darth Thanaton.
I feel like you guys are shortchanging Thanaton simply because he was stomped by a Darth Nox possessing the strength of 6 powerful spirits. I mean crap, that damn Last Resort attack he used on Nox was immense. It was a mix of a Force Lightning storm and dark side energy that created a maelstrom/lightning tornado. Of course when Nox draws on those spirits she walks out alive, then proceeds to annihilate him. Like tbh if thanaton were to bust that out, I doubt Wyyrlok could defend against it.
And in terms of lightsaber prowess, remember that Thanaton was a guy who specialized in using double bladed lightsabers as an acolyte, which is a difficult weapon to use. Plus considering he had a tablet of lightsaber info (Tulak Hord's, no doubt) and trained an, "unparalleled" lightsaber duelist, I don't see Wyyrlok stomping him in this department, at all.
Finally, someone who understands the big picture and has done his homework.
Ah, it seems I have the fight already on my computer:
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/star_w10.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/star_w11.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/star_w12.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/star_w13.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/star_w14.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/star_w15.jpg
Wait till I post Wyyrlok's fight against Andeddu until you make your judgment.
Also, hate to quote from wookiee but "In addition to being a formidable lightsaber duelist, Darth Krayt was also talented in the other applications of the Force, notably Force lightning. The raw power of his Force lightning was enough to crumble stone columns in the Sith Temple and kill multiple rakghouls with a single burst."
Thanaton's lightning>>
TK, Wyyrlok probably has the edge, but he's not gonna ragdoll Thanaton in any way. Probably give him a good force shove at worst.
But then of course there's Wyyrlok's sorcery, which i'll wait for ant to post first. Then again Thanaton (logically) has knowledge of a wide variety of rituals, one of which he used to godstomp Nox.
-demonstration of mastery of illusions-
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi10.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi13.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi11.jpg
-then his fight against Darth Andeddu.-
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi12.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi16.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi14.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi17.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi15.jpg
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
[B]Thanaton's lightning>>
Not all rakghouls are that big. Some are like monkeys. ****ing little shits.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I disagree.By hype its:
Vitiate
Jadus ("His power is second to the Emperor"😉
Malgus/Marr
Nox/ 2nd Emperor's Wrath
Baras
Thanaton
Jadus is only believed to be second to the Emperor, though I see your point. Put him on the same level as Malgus and Nox. Marr is a relatively unproven power. He's not on par with Malgus unless he actually shows it imo.
Do you know how big lenico beasts are?
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100719141038/starwars/images/5/5d/HornyBeast-BotETBW.jpg
Now this lightning attack doesn't kill the beast, however this is way before Thanaton's prime. Thanaton's also destroyed a large metallic structure and propelled himself onto a tall statue by blasting the lightning into the ground.
And as Neph said, there aren't many rakghouls that big.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Do you know how big rakghous are!?
http://www.swtorrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Update-1-Rise-of-the-Rakghouls.jpg
Also, FL should make short work of most biological forms.
Thanaton's lightning was potent enough to shatter stone and even damage metal much before his prime. At his prime, he could literally create maelstroms of lightning potent enough to overcome defenses of even powerful Force-users.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
-demonstration of mastery of illusions-
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi10.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi13.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi11.jpg
-then his fight against Darth Andeddu.-
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi12.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi16.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi14.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi17.jpg
http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/17/73/92/12/illusi15.jpg
To pseudo-translate that fight, the lightning and force push Andeddu did at the beginning were real.
The rock shards were not- they caused physical wounds despite being fake, due to the level of Andeddu's power. Ditto all the Lava stuff.
And to add one final panel, as the saying goes, die young and leave a good-looking corpse.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Where is Q99 when you need him?
I will note that while I've read the whole thing, I don't actually have all the scans for a lot of it (I have the physicals and a scanner, but it's a finnicky scanner and thus I tend to just do individual pages rather than whole parts), so thanks for handling that 🙂
XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I have a question: What are Krayt's lightning and TK feats?
He's mainly a saber type, so not too much. His TK shattered stone when it missed a push on Cade once, and he deflected a pillar that Wyyrlok broke up and used as projectiles against him, but he rarely uses TK.
Lightning, he killed a ship full of Yuuzhan Vong (who are force-resistant, even to things like TK and lightning), was pushing back Celeste Morne, has killed a ton of rakghoul, and when Karness Muur-in-Morne 'killed' him it was in large part due to grabbing Krayt's own lightning and tossing it back.
He has strong Force Drain, which he was using on Abeloth, and even targeted on her, was significantly impacting Luke Skywalker.
Yes, it is very impressive, and I definitely believe that Wyyrlok can give Thanaton a very good fight. I even believe Wyyrlok is> Thanaton in application of telekenesis. Illusions probably wouldn't be a deadly ability because:
A: it requires energy/concentration
B: Thanaton would logically have knowledge of them.
Now, it is very impressive how Wyyrlok has the mental fortitude and power to overcome Andeddu's illusions and kill him with them. However, for Thanaton, lightning is a staple, and I don't see Wyyrlok surviving an uber maelstrom from him.
XSUPREMEXSKILLZA: it requires energy/concentration
B: Thanaton would logically have knowledge of them
A: He's used them in combat against both Andeddu and Krayt, so they're still quite combat-usable and don't take him too much.
and B didn't stop them from working on Andeddu, one of the most famous sith sorcerers of all time.
However, for Thanaton, lightning is a staple, and I don't see Wyyrlok surviving an uber maelstrom from him.
Between saber and force-absorption (one of the few people who can do it bare-handed), I think he can survive a maelstrom and respond with illusion.
@Q99
A: Yes I agree they're combat-usable, however they require enough energy so that he can't multitask with them.
B: This is actually a good point. Noted. However Thanaton does have a combat-usable ritual that has similar effects to illusions.
C: If Wyyrlok gets hit by a maelstrom, I doubt he'd be able to block or absorb it.
@ DarthAnt66
A: Like he did against Nox, he could theoretically use a lightning whirlwind the keep Wyyrlok pinned, allowing enough time to charge it. Hell, Wyyrlok stands still all the time while demonstrating his skill with the force.
B: And how strong a nexus is Korriban? Especially considering that his feat wasn't at the heart of any ancient sith tombs on the planet. Even if he was incapable of reproducing the feat, he still has more powerful lightning, and that ritual that he used to beat Nox that kinda has a similar effect as illusions. Like, the ritual shredded Nox's force defenses like paper.
