Originally posted by carver9
Lol...they are no name Martians though. WWH had a group/room full of telepaths trying to mind rape him and all of them combined didn't even register or slow him down.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess you seen something during WWH that I am unaware of. What's WWH limits when it comes to TP. Charles Xavier himself didn't even register to WWH and he had Emma alongside him. Two people that would give Martian fits solo based off fts...And Hulk casually dismissed them. You don't have anything helping you in your argument unless you can post a limitation towards Hulk resistant to TP attacks.
And yet, random no name SHIELD agents managed to penetrate his mind.
Charles wasn't attacking him TOGETHER with Emma, they went separately IIRC.
Emma has skill, not so much power (as she gleefully rubs Rachel's face in it).
Random no name SHIELD agents: (Iron Man 20):
I actually went through WWH vs X-men - where did Emma actually try and control his mind? She says 'If Xavier and I couldn't control his mind etc...', but she never ACTUALLY tried (or at least, I am missing scans).
Xavier wasn't 100% there to fight them, anyway, and him and Emma were actually arguing with each other. Good to see, though, that Emma was able to block Charles, and so were the Stepford Cuckoos. A sad far cry from his days of scanning entire empires:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/World_War_Hulk_-_X-Men_002_003_zps20285f20.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/qwirtle/World_War_Hulk_-_X-Men_002_008_zpsfe88d3d8.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
[QUOTE =14684456] isOriginally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[B]When did World War Hulk perform a feat comprable to this one?V&V Despero is clearly stronger than WWH at default.
Grabbing Superman and Cap by the head? You don't think WWH can do that? A guy that punched two beings that is a thousand times stronger than Savage Hulk out of orbit? Yeah right. WWH is the god of strength and he would mud stomp Despero and if you believe Despero could grab someone as strong as WWH by the head as easily as he did Superman and the crew, then something is wrong with you. [/B][/QUOTE]
When did WWH confront and defeat any of the comprable lineups Despero has faced?
Lobo can singlehandedly defeat WWH. If you throw in the Martian Manhunter into the equation it would be a romp.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And yet, random no name SHIELD agents managed to penetrate his mind.Charles wasn't attacking him TOGETHER with Emma, they went separately IIRC.
Emma has skill, not so much power (as she gleefully rubs Rachel's face in it).
Where in that scan did it state they perpetrated his mind? It said, they BELIEVE he is telling the truth. I believed Teto Jackson was a better singer than Michael, that doesn't make it true.
You have a point with Emma and Charles together. I can't argue with that.
Lol...Emma is one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet. Example...she was one of the only that was able to go into bobs mind when the Void attacked the planet.
Originally posted by carver9
Where in that scan did it state they perpetrated his mind? It said, they BELIEVE he is telling the truth. I believed Teto Jackson was a better singer than Michael, that doesn't make it true.You have a point with Emma and Charles together. I can't argue with that.
Good point. Emma never tried to control Hulk - she only BELIEVED that she couldn't. Had she tried, she would've fried his brain. Like when she was one of the only that was able to go into bobs mind when the Void attacked the planet.
Lol...Emma is one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet. .
Marvel planet 😉
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Good point. Emma never tried to control Hulk - she only BELIEVED that she couldn't. Had she tried, she would've fried his brain. Like when she was one of the only that was able to go into bobs mind when the Void attacked the planet.
Marvel planet 😉
This doesn't sound like she tried?
"If Charles and I couldn't take over his mind"...
http://s94.photobucket.com/user/priest_85/media/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0006.jpg.html
Sounds like a failed attempt to me. If she would have said "if Charles and I can't take over his mind", then your argument would hold true...but her statement seems like both her and Charles tried and failed. I have the comic..I'm just too lazy to look for it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It sounds like it was tried, but it doesn't necessarily state that it was at the same time.The real question, is if you think that keeping Charles and Emma out is more impressive than actually overpowering and controlling two telepaths with years of feats behind them.
👆 I agree with your first stance. There isn't any proof that they tried mind wiping him together but it is an indication that Charles did attempt to mind attack him and as shown per my scan on the previous page, it was outright stated that Hulk resisted Charles.
Wasn't it stated that Charles could have ended Secret Wars with a simple mind attack (and there were abstracts and skyfathers present when this was said). I think Charles is one of if not the best telepath in comics and Emma isn't far behind. I guess it depends on where you rank Emma and Charles in comparison to Despero and MM.
Originally posted by carver9
I think Charles is one of if not the best telepath in comics and Emma isn't far behind. I guess it depends on where you rank Emma and Charles in comparison to Despero and MM.
And yet...
Emma stopped Charles.
And said in the same comic the Stepford Cuckoos would stop Charles.
Originally posted by carver9
👆 I agree with your first stance. There isn't any proof that they tried mind wiping him together but it is an indication that Charles did attempt to mind attack him and as shown per my scan on the previous page, it was outright stated that Hulk resisted Charles.Wasn't it stated that Charles could have ended Secret Wars with a simple mind attack (and there were abstracts and skyfathers present when this was said). I think Charles is one of if not the best telepath in comics and Emma isn't far behind. I guess it depends on where you rank Emma and Charles in comparison to Despero and MM.
every telepath worth their salt has insane feats. charles' average isn't skyfather level. Emma is herald level. She makes up for a lack of power by having an abundance of skill. She's not on Despero's level though. J'onn MAYBE.
Not to mention the fact that Charles had agreed to surrender. Don't tell me he was using his full power, when he wasn't.
@Dark...
No one is saying Emma is a Noob... Charles trained her, so she should be able to at least temporarily stop him (her kids are just as good as her when using their minds together. Remember, she is training them). Its not like Charles is even attempting to go full throttle on Emma and the kids anyways. Why are you making this so difficult. Charles tried and failed. He tried to the point that it stunned the X team and Hulk tanked it. Then, like I've stated before, it was already stated that Hulk countered Charles telepathic assault. Dont know why you are making this so difficult.
Originally posted by -Pr-
every telepath worth their salt has insane feats. charles' average isn't skyfather level. Emma is herald level. She makes up for a lack of power by having an abundance of skill. She's not on Despero's level though. J'onn MAYBE.Not to mention the fact that Charles had agreed to surrender. Don't tell me he was using his full power, when he wasn't.
He agreed to surrender AFTER realizing his telepathic assault didn't work. What other choices did he have? Try again and knock the Xmen out again?
Which Despero is this? Are we using the latest version?
This will end this debate on Charles vs WWH mind. Charles words.
"Impossible. The Hulks mind has always been unique...difficult to control, but I've never encountered anything like this. The Rage. Like an elemental force. I CANT OVERCOME IT and the feedback is enveloping everyone".
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot21_zpsa7258147.jpg.html
How are you going to deny Charles own words? He clearly states he cant overcome Hulks mind.
The Psychic backlash was so strong that it even knocked EMMA out. The same person Dark is trying to use as a pedistal. It also appears as if it caused Charles some pain as well.
Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...No one is saying Emma is a Noob... Charles trained her, so she should be able to at least temporarily stop him (her kids are just as good as her when using their minds together. Remember, she is training them). Its not like Charles is even attempting to go full throttle on Emma and the kids anyways. Why are you making this so difficult. Charles tried and failed. He tried to the point that it stunned the X team and Hulk tanked it. Then, like I've stated before, it was already stated that Hulk countered Charles telepathic assault. Dont know why you are making this so difficult.
So proof that Charles went full power on Hulk? Yes, the feedback was affecting the surrounding X-men, but that doesn't mean full power, before you say it does.
