Despero VS WWH

Originally posted by carver9
This will end this debate on Charles vs WWH mind. Charles words.

"Impossible. The Hulks mind has always been unique...difficult to control, but I've never encountered anything like this. The Rage. Like an elemental force. I CANT OVERCOME IT and the feedback is enveloping everyone".

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot21_zpsa7258147.jpg.html

How are you going to deny Charles own words? He clearly states he cant overcome Hulks mind.

The Psychic backlash was so strong that it even knocked EMMA out. The same person Dark is trying to use as a pedistal.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Mobile%20Uploads/snapshot22_zps660c2bec.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6

I'm not using her as a pedestal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not using her as a pedestal.

Didn't you say Emma had the ability to stop Charles but yet she couldn't withstand a psychic backlash from Charles. Doesn't matter, I already proved my point.

Originally posted by carver9
Read above.

Still stands. I knew exactly what you were going to type before you posted your statements.

So when Xavier had all those previous high end feats, and didn't knock the surrounding characters out........what does that mean?

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't you say Emma had the ability to stop Charles but yet she couldn't withstand a psychic backlash from Charles. Doesn't matter, I already proved my point.

I didn't say it. Charles himself admits that Emma is blocking him, and actually asks her to stop. Not trying to block him, or attempting to block him, but she's actually blocking him.

Posted for the THIRD time:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Still stands. I knew exactly what you were going to type before you posted your statements.

So when Xavier had all those previous high end feats, and didn't knock the surrounding characters out........what does that mean?

It means that he didn't go full throttle like he did against WWH. To the point that it knocked a powerful telepath out as well, along with other Xmen that have TP resistant fts.

LOL...why are we still debating this? Charles clearly states that he cant do anything to the Hulk. Then we have THIS.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...stanceproof.jpg

Dont know how much proof you need. I know one thing, you need to provide a scan going against my case because it seems like I am debating against what you THINK could have happened minus you provide evidence (yet again)

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Originally posted by carver9
It means that he didn't go full throttle like he did against WWH. To the point that it knocked a powerful telepath out as well, along with other Xmen that have TP resistant fts.

LOL...why are we still debating this? Charles clearly states that he cant do anything to the Hulk. Then we have THIS.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...stanceproof.jpg

Dont know how much proof you need. I know one thing, you need to provide a scan going against my case because it seems like I am debating against what you THINK could have happened minus you provide evidence (yet again)

Link doesn't work.

OK. So when he fights the Phoenix Force.....and Cyclops is standing there fine...

WWH > the Phoenix?

When have I failed to provide evidence?????

This reminds me of when you said WWH regrew his limbs after Kitty phased him into the ground.

Originally posted by carver9
He agreed to surrender AFTER realizing his telepathic assault didn't work. What other choices did he have? Try again and knock the Xmen out again?

Which Despero is this? Are we using the latest version?

I was using the Crisis of Conscience version, seeing as we seem to be allowed to pick our own version.

Plus, I've seen almost nothing of the DCNU version.

Still waiting for something that shows that Hulk could resist a telepath who took down a Charles level telepath and another impressive one, at the same time, and then controlled them (among others that are known for their high willpower).

I'm not even saying it's not out there. It could be. Charles and Emma from that horrible comic just isn't it, though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Link doesn't work.

OK. So when he fights the Phoenix Force.....and Cyclops is standing there fine...

WWH > the Phoenix?

When have I failed to provide evidence?????

This reminds me of when you said WWH regrew his limbs after Kitty phased him into the ground.

My bad. Here you go.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...stanceproof.jpg

Dont get your point with the WWH>Phoenix comment. I dont get what you are trying to prove here. We have words from Charles own mouth telling us that he cant stop Hulk but you are bringing other characters into the mix and, you are trying to use collateral to prove a point. Thats like me saying Hulk used more power in his fight against Ironman since they leveled a City vs what he used against Zeus that didn't even level the buildings around them. Provide scans proving that Charles was holding back because going by his own words, he couldn't stop Hulk.

Dark, every time we debate, we go off what you THINK happened versus whats shown onpanel. I'm use to it though.

I still stick by my Kitty stance. 😠

Originally posted by -Pr-
I was using the Crisis of Conscience version, seeing as we seem to be allowed to pick our own version.

Plus, I've seen almost nothing of the DCNU version.

Still waiting for something that shows that Hulk could resist a telepath who took down a Charles level telepath and another impressive one, at the same time, and then controlled them (among others that are known for their high willpower).

I'm not even saying it's not out there. It could be. Charles and Emma from that horrible comic just isn't it, though.

Charles and Emma are the best telepaths on the planet, so the scans that you are asking me for is non existent. Dont know why Charles failing isn't sufficient enough. Oh well.

Originally posted by carver9
Charles and Emma are the best telepaths on the planet, so the scans that you are asking me for is non existent. Dont know why Charles failing isn't sufficient enough. Oh well.

Charles is arguably the best telepath on the planet. There are a few others you could easily argue are on his level. He's above Emma, and he's not the only one (heh). She'd be lucky to be in the top five. I know you want to pretend Charles' average is some skyfather mind-raping son of a gun, but it isn't.

Keeping two telepaths out of your mind is somehow more impressive than not just keeping two out of your mind, but actually overcoming their will AND controlling them? J'onn is on Charles' level, and Despero (at least, the version I'm talking about) absolutely wrecked him.

Do you not have other TP resistance feats? Or are you going to rely on one and one alone?

Or do you really think Hulk has better resistance to telepathy than Aquaman and MM combined? Cos that's what you're saying.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Charles is arguably the best telepath on the planet. There are a few others you could easily argue are on his level. He's above Emma, and he's not the only one (heh). She'd be lucky to be in the top five. I know you want to pretend Charles' average is some skyfather mind-raping son of a gun, but it isn't.

Keeping two telepaths out of your mind is somehow more impressive than not just keeping two out of your mind, but actually overcoming their will AND controlling them? J'onn is on Charles' level, and Despero (at least, the version I'm talking about) absolutely wrecked him.

Do you not have other TP resistance feats? Or are you going to rely on one and one alone?

Or do you really think Hulk has better resistance to telepathy than Aquaman and MM combined? Cos that's what you're saying.

There are other TP fts but what I am saying is Charles is the best he have. I guess you could include a prepped Strange among the list of telepaths that failed to mind attack Hulk (was only able to do so when Hulk was at a relaxed or sympathetic state), but again, that depends on where you rank Strange.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The distinction is the fault of the people on this board, so take it up with them instead of being snarky, thanks.

i will be ignoring it of course

@Dark...

Here Is the scan again...see it didn't work.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/hulkmentalresistanceproof.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't it stated that Charles could have ended Secret Wars with a simple mind attack (and there were abstracts and skyfathers present when this was said). I think Charles is one of if not the best telepath in comics and Emma isn't far behind. I guess it depends on where you rank Emma and Charles in comparison to Despero and MM.

Yup, and just to back up the fact he could do it, here's him mind raping Galactus with a single thought:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars005-13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars005-14.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars006-09.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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Yup, and just to back up the fact he could do it, here's him mind raping Galactus with a single thought:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars005-13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars005-14.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars006-09.jpg

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Originally posted by carver9
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Back to topic. Has despero displayed the ability to negate motor skills function

Originally posted by psycho gundam
are you saying that this ruling was done by committee? that's new

i will be ignoring it of course

It was originally Bada's suggestion, but we both worked out the finer details of it. It wouldn't have happened if people had acted with a little maturity, but tbh, that was too much to ask it seemed.

Ignoring it would be considered ignoring mod rulings, so probably not a good idea. I'm not telling you not to, just telling you what will probably happen if you do and Bada sees it.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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Yup, and just to back up the fact he could do it, here's him mind raping Galactus with a single thought:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars005-13.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars005-14.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/SecretWars006-09.jpg

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Originally posted by Sin I AM
Back to topic. Has despero displayed the ability to negate motor skills function

I honestly don't know.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
are you saying that this ruling was done by committee? that's new

i will be ignoring it of course

Qft I dont wanna see u banned