Adam Warlock w/IG vs Maelstrom w/Anomaly vs Ereshkigal w/S

Originally posted by leonidas
now this is a stance i've always disagreed with. in ANY incarnation, lt is a representative for toaa--iow he always has his backing. i don't think it's possible for lt to act INDEPENDENT of toaa's influence--at least we've never seen him do something that was against the wishes of toaa. lt's abilities aren't akin to the way the spectre is occasionally portrayed. i don't think lt was any more powerful in that scene than he was in any other appearance he's ever had. he just doesn't always outright state who's authority he is acting at the behest of. least imo. /shrug

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool brotha, but I disagree likewise.

The fact that LT said he was "representing forces that dwarf the IG"

Imo, context is clear LT's referring to someone else.

Then to solidify that, we have Warlock literally and directly state it's TOAA who is above the IG.

If the LT's statement was all I had to go on (self explanatory as it is) I wouldn't make the argument,
but the Warlock corroboration (under the mantle of Godhood) saying the same thing, does it for me.

Handbooks don't credit TOAA as being superior to the infinity gems, it specifically says that LT showed superiority to the gems.

http://i.imgur.com/AVhnWBK.jpg?1

"Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power is superior to that of the gems".

Here's another handbook which hints that the IG is below the LT, by saying it surpasses "most" of the abstracts (obviously it refers to LT because the IG is confirmed to be above all asbtract except LT who sometimes is regarded as being an "abstract"😉:

http://i.imgur.com/bhcL6RN.jpg?1

Out of curiosity though, You think that IG is above LT? And from reading your post, you seem to be implying that its power rivals TOAA's. Correct me if im wrong.

Originally posted by operator616
Handbooks don't credit TOAA as being superior to the infinity gems, it specifically says that LT showed superiority to the gems.
http://i.imgur.com/AVhnWBK.jpg?1
"Living Tribunal demonstrated that his power is superior to that of the gems".
Here's another handbook which hints that the IG is below the LT, by saying it surpasses "most" of the abstracts (obviously it refers to LT because the IG is confirmed to be above all asbtract except LT who sometimes is regarded as being an "abstract"😉:
http://i.imgur.com/bhcL6RN.jpg?1

Good thing I rely on On Panel evidence solely, and bios are only used to corroborate what happened therein.

Anyhow, on panel the LT stated otherwise and so did Warlock.

Originally posted by operator616

Out of curiosity though, You think that IG is above LT? And from reading your post, you seem to be implying that its power rivals TOAA's. Correct me if im wrong.

The IG made it's wielder the legitimate in-reality supreme being.

As for the question: You know, I always put the LT above the IG but I don't know.
At-least in that Warlock scene it seemed like the LT was above the IG due to his OAA connections.

Afterwards though, there's proof imo that definitively puts the LT above the IG.

Still, that occurrence with Warlock will always leave me confused a bit.

I'll address this since the rest is circles imo.

Originally posted by operator616
Two complete universal characters merged together = multi-universal power.

So, an incomplete IG was able to merge two universes, yet it was overpowered by a multi-universal power. I don't see any contradictions.

Thanx for the heads up.

All this time I thought they were One universe:

Infinity = the spatial axis ... Eternity = the temporal axis.

Wait, I thought when they merged they became the entire space-time continuum as one.

The space-time continuum of one universe or all.
Since this is a "universal" cat you're suggesting,
it makes no sense that a universal space-time continuum is two universes.

... but ok.

^ They are universal powers, each one. So in Defenders v3, in the instance where there was a multiversal Eternity, Dormammu didn't remake all universes inside the multiverse? Oh right, he did. Eternity being the embodiment of time doesn't change the fact that he has complete control over time and space. You should know that.

Unless you think that universal Eternity alone is a multi-galactic power, or doesn't have absolute control over a reality (even though it's been outright stated that he does)? Because you're saying that only with Infinity, does Eternity achieve absolute control over a singular reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If I pledged my allegiance to handbooks before on panel showings
I would think that the Fury was damaged by it's universe's death.

Good thing I rely on On Panel evidence solely, and bios are only used to corroborate what happened therein.

Anyhow, on panel the LT stated otherwise and so did Warlock.

Not exactly otherwise. Your interpretation is simply different. I agree with Leo that LT is always representing TOAA. IG instance was not special, imo.

But we'll disagree.

Originally posted by Mr Master

TOAA > all ... You should know I would never think otherwise.

I know that according to you (and hopefully everyone), TOAA > all. But what i meant is, if you think IG's power rivals TOAA's, as in, if it's comparable. Because that's what i understood when you said that LT wasn't sure if he could stop Warlock at first, despite having TOAA's authority at his disposal.

Originally posted by operator616

^ They are universal powers, each one. So in Defenders v3, in the instance where there was a multiversal Eternity, Dormammu didn't remake all universes inside the multiverse? Oh right, he did. Eternity being the embodiment of time doesn't change the fact that he has complete control over time and space. You should know that.
Unless you think that universal Eternity alone is a multi-galactic power, or doesn't have absolute control over a reality (even though it's been outright stated that he does)? Because you're saying that only with Infinity, does Eternity achieve absolute control over a singular reality.

Big deal.

They (Eternity/Infinity) share a universe. (Spatial axis and Temporal axis)
They're two sides of the same coin.

This is why Eternity couldn't fight CK, as he noted, it would be like fighting myself.

Simple. When Infinity is acknowledged this idea comes into play,
when she's not,
Eternity is the full power of the universe and/or multiverse.

... real simple.

Originally posted by operator616

Not exactly otherwise. Your interpretation is simply different. I agree with Leo that LT is always representing TOAA. IG instance was not special, imo.

But we'll disagree.

btw. I suppose this means Protege > TOAA then. 🙂

Originally posted by operator616

I know that according to you (and hopefully everyone), TOAA > all. But what i meant is, if you think IG's power rivals TOAA's, as in, if it's comparable. Because that's what i understood when you said that LT wasn't sure if he could stop Warlock at first, despite having TOAA's authority at his disposal.

Beautifully done on Starlin's part imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, Infinity wasn't even recognized in the Defenders arc,
like so many times Eternity solely represents Marvel.
Big deal.
They (Eternity/Infinity) share a universe. (Spatial axis and Temporal axis)
They're two sides of the same coin.
This is why Eternity couldn't fight CK, as he noted, it would be like fighting myself.
Simple. When Infinity is acknowledged this idea comes into play,
when she's not,
Eternity is the full power of the universe and/or multiverse.
... real simple.

....Uh, And when did i say that Infinity appeared/mentioned in Defenders, exactly? Must be missing something.

You're missing the point. I know that Eternity sometimes represents the universe alone. Sometimes it's stated that Eternity and Death compromise reality. But non of that changes the fact that regardless of whether it represents it solely or not, Eternity has complete control over time and space. Just like Infinity alone has complete control over time and space. So put two of them together and you have a multi-universal power, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master

btw. I suppose this means Protege > TOAA then. 🙂

I can justify that by saying TOAA maybe orchestrated that for an unknown purpose, just like he orchestrated the events of Marvel: The End.

Originally posted by operator616
....Uh, And when did i say that Infinity appeared/mentioned in Defenders, exactly? Must be missing something.

You're missing the point. I know that Eternity sometimes represents the universe alone. Sometimes it's stated that Eternity and Death compromise reality. But non of that changes the fact that regardless of whether it represents it solely or not, Eternity has complete control over time and space. Just like Infinity alone has complete control over time and space. So put two of them together and you have a multi-universal power, imo.

Going by that technicality, can't I say hey, Magus was controlling Two separate universes simultaneously,
since each universe has two universes worth of power, then Magus was 4 universes strong.
yet, he was controlling another third universe where his Stronghold was, so that's actually then 6 universes.

I'll stick with the 4 though which is enough to > two universes.

Bit of a paradox no opr?

Originally posted by operator616

I can justify that by saying TOAA maybe orchestrated that for an unknown purpose, just like he orchestrated the events of Marvel: The End.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So basically, the Starbrand is above the IG due to absolutely ZERO feats, but rather based on LT not punching Eresh in her stupid face?

ima punch you in yur stupid face with mindset's stupid fist.

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Originally posted by leonidas
ima punch you in yur stupid face with mindset's stupid fist.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm going to drink a litre of chocolate milk and spray shit at you with a wicked fart

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm going to drink a litre of chocolate milk and spray shit at you with a wicked fart

^line? crossed. 😐

Nah. I could have posted real shit gifs, after all. 👆

Ewww

Originally posted by Galan007

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm going to drink a litre of chocolate milk and spray shit at you with a wicked fart

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Originally posted by operator616
Ereshkigal was a potential peer to the Abstracts (although she could have given LT a fight which would have devastated the multiverse, while they were inside the nexus), IG is above them. That makes Warlock > Ereshkigal.

As for Maelstrom (who also had CA, and QB apart from Anomaly's power), he was apparently superior to the IG, despite the fact that the IG clearly possesses greater raw power (it can casually destroy a universe, unlike Maelstrom), and it technically should be above abstract such as anomaly.

So it should be something like Maelstrom > Warlock > Ereshkigal, if we go by the encounters.

But based on raw power, it'd be Warlock > Ereshkigal > Maelstrom.

Only, he didn't prove to be superior to the IG... Tanking a blast and laughing at Thanos with the IG.. doesn't mean you're superior. He would've had to actually beat him in battle... he ran instead. Though I do agree with the rest of your post