Asgardians vs Jedi's

Started by Time Immemorial39 pages
Originally posted by Robtard
You agreed to debate without stripping the Jedi of powers, so why are you back to "Jedi can't use Force speed"?

Where did I agree to that?

So you don't think the Asgardians can win if all powers shown are in play, which would include Force-speed for the Jedi?

Originally posted by The Spleen

You need to accept the FACT that a Jedi CAN use force speed any time they want.

So why aren't there any feats of them using force speed during combat then?

Why doesn't Superman use his speed combined with his strength and invulnerability to end many a threat in a nanosecond?

Answer: Because then it would be boring and no one would pay to see it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Why doesn't Superman use his speed combined with his strength and invulnerability to end many a threat in a nanosecond?

Answer: Because then it would be boring and no one would pay to see it.

True, but at least Superman uses his speed more than once. All of these superheroes never fight quite as smart as they should, since that would be boring. But they at least use whatever powers they should have more than once. Thor uses lightning quite often, even though he doesn't use it all the time. Superman speed blitzes here and there. Even Baleman used his pathetic fanny belt more than once.

But so far all we've seen of force speed from the jedi's is that single time they run away from a fight. Which makes it very questionable whether they can use it properly in a fight.

You're telling me they can only use it to run away from someone, but not to run towards someone. This makes sense to you?

Originally posted by Robtard
You're telling me they can only use it to run away from someone, but not to run towards someone. This makes sense to you?

So they run towards and then what they die faster by getting a hammer dropped on them. Thor has been shown to have just as quick reflexes as Obi wan and he does't have pre cog.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So why aren't there any feats of them using force speed during combat then?
Holy shit dude I already explained that......

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
1. Your wrong, he used it to clear the area and all the Giants he was fighting.

2. You need to accept the fact that never used it but once to run away. You have no screen feats to back any of your speed feats in combat. Blocking blaster fire is not speed feats.

And if you want to go that far Thor does the same thing and thus he also has super speed...See how stupid that is?

Your Jedi's have lost this and now your just carrying on.

1. Is that right, Rambo? WRONG. He did it because his team was about to get buttraped by the Beastie. I can post the scene if you like.

2. So you are saying that Jedi, through their entire life, can force speed only once? And once it is used, it expires? They can never use it again? Hell, why didn't you just say so?

Thor is not as fast with his attacks as a Jedi is. It's not even close. Add on that the Jedi have precog and Thor has no chance. Not to mention the Jedi mind trick. Thor never, not once displayed an immunity to such an attack on his mind.

And stop pluralizing Jedi, it makes you look illiterate.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then why not argue why they win without gimping the Jedi of powers.
This is exactly what he is doing. He is amping Thor's powers, saying Thor can do anything he wants, while at the same time saying The Jedi can do only what he wants them to use.

He is beaten. He has nothing left but "nuh uh."

Originally posted by The Spleen
Holy shit dude I already explained that......
That doesn't mean ignore all their showings and selective use certain ones.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So they run towards and then what they die faster by getting a hammer dropped on them. Thor has been shown to have just as quick reflexes as Obi wan and he does't have pre cog.

Thor does not have just as quick reflexes. We see Force-users block fire aimed at their backs and without looking with ease.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're telling me they can only use it to run away from someone, but not to run towards someone. This makes sense to you?

No, I'm telling you that they can use it to run away from someone or run towards someone but not use it to speed up their attacks or allow them to speed blitz and dodge attacks... since they have never shown the ability to do this. Now that makes sense.

Originally posted by The Spleen
Holy shit dude I already explained that......

Your "explanation" made no sense at all...

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, I'm telling you that they can use it to run away from someone or run towards someone but not use it to speed up their attacks or allow them to speed blitz and dodge attacks... since they have never shown the ability to do this. Now that makes sense.

I think the argument was that they use their super-speed to close the distance and decapitate the Asgardians.

Not they'd duel at hyper-speeds. That's the way I took it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thor does not have just as quick reflexes. We see Force-users block fire aimed at their backs and without looking with ease.

Actually he does, he was blocking laser fire just like the jedi's and was shown to be able to spin his hammer at a ridiculous speed. And with those fast reflexes if Obi's wan did try and run up to him he would get a hammer dropped on his skull or block the lightsaber with his hammer and then unleash it on Obi.

Meanwhile they skill cant find Loki cause they can't sense him.

No, he doesn't. He's shown he can block a couple shots fired straight at him. He's not shown he can block shots coming from multiple directions, even directly at his back. Thor's immensely powerful, bu the wanking has to stop.

You're just assuming that since Loki was able to hide from the vision of one guy, his illusions can counter the Force. Bit of a silly assumption, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, he doesn't. He's shown he can block a couple shots fired straight at him. He's not shown he can block shots coming from multiple directions, even directly at his back. Thor's immensely powerful, bu the wanking has to stop.

You're just assuming that since Loki was able to hide from the vision of one guy, his illusions can counter the Force. Bit of a silly assumption, imo.

If he can block laser fire he can block laser fire. If he can spin his hammer at 1000's of RPM's, that pretty fast if you ask me.

On sensing Loki how could Obi had problem's sensing things, Windu/Yoda could not figure out who was a sith and who was not until it stared them directly in the face, how are they going to sense Loki whom a person with God sight could not even sense?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If he can block laser fire he can block laser fire. If he can spin his hammer at 1000's of RPM's, that pretty fast if you ask me.

On sensing Loki how could Obi had problem's sensing things, Windu/Yoda could not figure out who was a sith and who was not until it stared them directly in the face, how are they going to sense Loki whom a person with God sight could not even sense?

Did you even watch the SW movies? You do know why Sidious was able to remain hidden, yes?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Your "explanation" made no sense at all...
My explanation was simple and dead on accurate. Not my fault you can't comprehend sinple english.