Asgardians vs Jedi's

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Its not my opinion, its fact that they never used that but to run away and is not valid in a forum battle as that feat was never used in a saber battle, it was used to run away from an enemy they could not beat, so yea they would use it and run away from Thor and Loki just like they did those robots.

All I see here is "Thor could do this, Thor could do that." COULD do. The Jedi COULD force speed over and decap Thor.

Now, you have to PROVE that if the Jedi faced Thor, they would literally lose the ability of force speed.

Originally posted by Psychotron
WTF? That Jedi was some nameless scrub and Obi-Wan wrecked Jango despite being unarmed and under orders to bring him in alive.

Thor is more likely to try to melee and get his head taken off.

1. Why did Thor smash the ground when facing the Frost giants?

2. Why did Obi Wan not use force speed against Jango?

Originally posted by The Spleen
Exactly. Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Why did Thor smash the ground when facing the Frost giants?

2. Why did Obi Wan not use force speed against Jango?

Are you ever going to shut up about the speedy run away from their enemys? Its only weakening your argument.

Originally posted by The Spleen
Nah, it's valid here. It's a capability they have and they can use it.

All I see here is "Thor could do this, Thor could do that." COULD do. The Jedi COULD force speed over and decap Thor.

Now, you have to PROVE that if the Jedi faced Thor, they would literally lose the ability of force speed.

They never used it but to run away from emanate defeat. Had they stayed more droids would have showed up and they ran like hell. Your using there most cowing feat of them running away to try and then take it on offense.

Not gonna work here.

I don't have to prove anything else to you, the thread has proven it.

Saying Jedi can only use their speed to "run away from droids" cos that's the only time we saw it, is like saying "Thor can only do his thunder-slam-shockwave on Jotenheim", cos that's the only time we saw it.

See how silly this line of "logic" is?

Originally posted by Robtard
Saying Jedi can only use their speed to "run away from droids" cos that's the only time we saw it, is like saying "Thor can only do his thunder-slam-shockwave on Jotenheim", cos that's the only time we saw it.

See how silly this line of "logic" is?

Originally posted by Robtard
Saying Jedi can only use their speed to "run away from droids" cos that's the only time we saw it, is like saying "Thor can only to his thunder-slam on Jotenheim", cos that's the only time we saw it.

See how silly this line of "logic" is?

No because its combat feats that he has used more then once. He used that type of AEO more then once. The speedy run away is a poor argument. Why try to win off them running away?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't ignore every showing where the Jedi are wiped out or hit and pretend precog. Its awful debating.

A non sequitur response. What you said had nothing to do with what I posted. Try again, Mr, I-Insult-Disabled-People.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No because its combat feats that he has used more then once. He used that type of AEO more then once. The speedy run away is a poor argument. Why try to win off them running away?

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough. Where did he use the Jotenheim mega-attack besides on Jotenheim in Thor?

He used a AOE like that on smaller scale Loki on the bi frost bridge and a bigger AOE in Avengers in New York.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He used a AOE like that on smaller scale Loki on the bi frost bridge and a bigger AOE in Avengers in New York.

Nope. When he blasted Loki on the Bifrost it was just lightning, it was nothing like that mega-attack he dropped on Jotenheim. Similar in Avengers, he used the Chrysler building to charge and spam just lightning.

So my point stands, if you're going to insist Jedi can only use their powers in the exact way we saw, be honest and apply those same rules to the Asgardians.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. When he blasted Loki on the Bifrost it was just lightning, it was nothing like that mega-attack he dropped on Jotenheim. Similar in Avengers, he used the Chrysler building to charge and spam just lightning.

So my point stands, if you're going to insist Jedi can only use their powers in the exact way we saw, be honest and apply those same rules to the Asgardians.

He called down lighting and did a small AOE to clear Loki and his Holograms, obviously he was not trying to kill him or destroy the bi frost at that time, so why would he perform that attack at the same power when he could have destroyed the whole bridge and killed Loki?

The speed doesn't show anything but them running down a hallway, how is this even corner to stand in for winning this battle, when was this ever used by anyone at any other time by any jedi for the purpose or running away again or fighting?

Also you never responded to this

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
But thats not what it implied, he took the bi frost to the frost giants, and Hiemdall is the gatekeeper and watched Loki go to and from the frost giants, and stood there and tried to see him and listen to him. He could not, Loki was under his own power. Heimdall knew all that was going on with Thor and everything else, but he could not detect or see Loki even though his God sight allows him to see everything in the universe.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
To add, he didn't even have Gungir when he visted Lauffy..He was completely under his own power.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He called down lighting and did a small AOE to clear Loki and his Holograms, obviously he was not trying to kill him or destroy the bi frost at that time, so why would he perform that attack at the same power when he could have destroyed the whole bridge and killed Loki?

The speed doesn't show anything but them running down a hallway, how is this even corner to stand in for winning this battle, when was this ever used by anyone at any other time by any jedi for the purpose or running away again or fighting?

It wasn't the same attack. Period.

You're applying two sets of rules; it's obvious. It's a stupid tactic.

Originally posted by Robtard
It wasn't the same attack. Period.

You're applying two sets of rules; it's obvious. It's a stupid tactic.

Ok then lets scratch the AEO and destroys part of the planet because he only uses it once, and then lets scratch them super speeding away from a fight they were gonna lose..

Is that better?

Thor and Loki still win.

Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough. Where did he use the Jotenheim mega-attack besides on Jotenheim in Thor?

1:28 in or so. Not quite as large scale, but the same basic attack.

Nah, Granted, he used his hammer. But it wasn't even close to that Jotenheim attack.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ok then lets scratch the AEO and destroys part of the planet because he only uses it once, and then lets scratch them super speeding away from a fight they were gonna lose..

Is that better?

Thor and Loki still win.

It's silly to start taking away powers because they happen to ruin your argument. They should all be allowed, if they were used on film.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, Granted, he used his hammer. But it wasn't even close to that Jotenheim attack.

Why would he want to take out the whole city by doing that massive of an attack with thousands of people around?

Originally posted by Robtard
It's silly to start taking away powers because they happen to ruin your argument. They should all be allowed, if they were used on film.

The argument is Jedi pre cog and sense won't work on Loki, as not even God Sight/Sense didn't work on him and he's got Gungir, Thor's got his hammer and massive feats and you got Obi wan running away from a fight that now your trying to upscale to a win against gods.

Why didn't Thor use the mega-smash earlier and only waited until he and his team were about to be overrun? Applying the same logic you're using on the Jedi, Thor can only use that smash as a means to cover an escape. (which is stupid to say)

Any way you slice it, you're applying a different set of rules to the Jedi; it's silly. Why not try and argue with all powers on the table? Do you think the Asgardians can't win unless you start cherry-picking away shown abilities?