Asgardians vs Jedi's

Originally posted by Robtard
Why didn't Thor use it earlier and only waited until he and his team were about to be overrun? Applying your same logic you're using on the Jedi, Thor can only use that smash as a means to cover an escape.

Any way you slice it, you're applying a different set of rules, it's silly. All powers are allowed if we see them.

I see what your trying to do, but its not going to work. Do you really want to compare the jedi's running away to Thor destroying the whole palace and part of the planet?

Once of his warriors was down and they were screaming to leave that they had to leave, he said then leave. Once they got safely away and he had enough of them giants surrounding him he called down the god almighty blast on them and leveled the place. He wasn't running he was killing them all and then when they were all dead, and he saw his friends in need he flew to their rescue to kill the beast. He was running from no one, but flying to a new spot to kill another beat that Obi wan would have run from like he did in clone wars.

And your still dodging the part about being wrong that infact Loki was under his own power when he hid from Heimdall.

What I'm trying to do is show you that you're applying a different set of rules for the Jedi.

Also:

Originally posted by Robtard
Why not try and argue with all powers on the table? Do you think the Asgardians can't win unless you start cherry-picking away shown abilities?

Just curious if you think the Jedi win if all shown powers for both sides are in play. Well?

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Watch and weep

Just curious if you think the Jedi win if all shown powers for both sides are in play?

Originally posted by Robtard
What I'm trying to do is show you that you're applying a different set of rules for the Jedi.

Also:

Just curious if you think the Jedi win if all shown powers for both sides are in play. Well?

The only power your keep insisting on is this speedy run away. What other power do you want to discuss?

It's a simple question, do you think the Jedi win this if we allow all shown powers for the Jedi, Thor and Loki? ie an even playing field.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a simple question, do you think the Jedi win this if we allow all shown powers for the Jedi, Thor and Loki? ie an even playing field.

No obviously I think Thor and Loki would win.

Then why not argue why they win without gimping the Jedi of powers.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then why not argue why they win without gimping the Jedi of powers.

How many times have they actually used this speed blitz aside from that one scene? It's not gimping them if they don't actually use it in combat situations in the movies. Thor's Jotunheim blast was just him channeling lightning through his hammer and dispersing it into the ground. Thor's Bi-Frost attack is just another lightning attack but disperse through the air/area. Thor uses his lightning more often than the Jedi's use the force speed to combat (which is never in the movies)

Thor's Jotunheim attack is quick and devastating. These are the same Jedi's that had trouble with missiles and blasers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-BNpS63KI4

Bi-Frost attack. Just lightning. Jedi's are getting fried basically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59qoIFbAAzE

Then you have Loki with Gungnir that he used to two shot Laufey. He turn Laufrey into ashes literally with the second shot.

Odin vaporizing frost giants with Gungnir. Thor might hold back but Loki would murder both Jedi. The irony being Loki uses his mysticism in combat far many than the Jedi's have even displayed precog/mindtrick/force speed in combat from their movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i34lUs10_0k

Not sure how anyone can try and say the Jedi's are going to use these force tricks when they almost never display it actual combat.

All powers on the table and going by highest feats asgardians break them. Noone in sw movies have shown lokis level of magic and illusion. Shit they couldnt even figure out palpatine was a sith.

Was on the fence about this before. Asgardians got this.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you ever going to shut up about the speedy run away from their enemys? Its only weakening your argument.

They never used it but to run away from emanate defeat.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent

im·mi·nent
adjective \ˈi-mə-nənt\

: happening very soon
Full Definition of IMMINENT
: ready to take place; especially : hanging threateningly over one's head <was in imminent danger of being run over>

Had they stayed more droids would have showed up and they ran like hell. Your using there most cowing feat of them running away to try and then take it on offense.

Not gonna work here.

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I don't have to prove anything else to you, the thread has proven it.

The only thing that has been proven is that you are utterly incapable of forming a counter argument.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't ignore every showing where the Jedi are wiped out or hit and pretend precog. Its awful debating.

Originally posted by Robtard
Saying Jedi can only use their speed to "run away from droids" cos that's the only time we saw it, is like saying "Thor can only do his thunder-slam-shockwave on Jotenheim", cos that's the only time we saw it.

See how silly this line of "logic" is?

Here, I'll ask again:

Originally posted by The Spleen
Exactly. Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Why did Thor smash the ground when facing the Frost giants?

2. Why did Obi Wan not use force speed against Jango?

I know the Thor dickriders will ignore these questions, but I have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

How is that even a question that first one

that's like saying why do Jedi's use a lightsaber in battle.

Originally posted by Kazenji
How is that even a question that first one

that's like saying why do Jedi's use a lightsaber in battle.

Originally posted by The Spleen
Exactly. Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Why did Thor smash the ground when facing the Frost giants?

2. Why did Obi Wan not use force speed against Jango?

1. Because he could and he wanted too

2. Because he couldn't, he wasn't running away.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
1. Because he could and he wanted too

2. Because he couldn't, he wasn't running away.

1. No, he NEEDED to, he did it to sink that big beastie the Frost giants unleashed.

2. Wrong. At the beginning of the fight Obi Wan was blocking blaster bolts. So, it's obvious that a Jedi cannot block blaster bolts AND use force speed at the same time. Now, when the fight went H2H, Obi Wan could have easily killed Jango, but he needed Jango alive. Add on that when they were going at it H2H, force speed would have been useless. Jango was right in his face, Obi Wan had no need to use force speed. The rest of the fight, well, Obi Wan was being dragged.

You need to accept the FACT that a Jedi CAN use force speed any time they want.

Originally posted by The Spleen
1. No, he NEEDED to, he did it to sink that big beastie the Frost giants unleashed.

2. Wrong. At the beginning of the fight Obi Wan was blocking blaster bolts. So, it's obvious that a Jedi cannot block blaster bolts AND use force speed at the same time. Now, when the fight went H2H, Obi Wan could have easily killed Jango, but he needed Jango alive. Add on that when they were going at it H2H, force speed would have been useless. Jango was right in his face, Obi Wan had no need to use force speed. The rest of the fight, well, Obi Wan was being dragged.

You need to accept the FACT that a Jedi CAN use force speed any time they want.

1. Your wrong, he used it to clear the area and all the Giants he was fighting.

2. You need to accept the fact that never used it but once to run away. You have no screen feats to back any of your speed feats in combat. Blocking blaster fire is not speed feats.

And if you want to go that far Thor does the same thing and thus he also has super speed...See how stupid that is?

Your Jedi's have lost this and now your just carrying on.

And why does it matter why he used the AOE, he used it to wreck all them, thats like saying why does the jedi's use their lightsabers..its a stupid non issue. He wrecked them all, keep powering him up if you want.

If you think he was trying to kill the beast with it, it ran away like the Jedi's did when they knew they were doomed, and guess what the beast ended up getting a hammer through his mouth.

If they can use it anytime they want too why was Qui Gon running for his life when the droids was chasing him down just a few scenes after he was just running away from the other droids on the ship? And why was it never used again any time in any movie ever shown?

Jedi's seem to run away a lot, I never seen Thor or Loki run from anyone.

You agreed to debate without stripping the Jedi of powers, so why are you back to "Jedi can't use Force speed"?