Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So has Dooku...
Going back to this, the Wrath has defeated some of the greatest Sith of ALL time, such as Ekkage and Baras, as well as several Dark Council members or Dark Council level opponents. Dooku's best victories have been against Ventress, AotC Anakin and Obi-Wan and Sora Bulq. Impressive wins, but they don't really stack up.
Oh another feat for the Wrath, one of his greatest ones:
On Hoth, Baras commissions you to find and kill a jedi named Master Wyellett. Wyellett was a jedi master who defeated Darth Baras during the war prior to the treaty, and took his lightsaber. Note that Satele Shan wasn't even able to defeat Baras. Furthermore, while Wyellett was on Hoth, he stated that his powers were greater than ever before, and: "Now, Wyellett has transcended the concerns of this galaxy and his powers are more realized than ever before."
Originally posted by ares834
Kenobi would kill Kriea (without the drain) and he'd beat Baras even easier.He has already bested superior Sith Lords than either of them.
The Battlezone seems to think differently.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Oh another feat for the Wrath, one of his greatest ones:On Hoth, Baras commissions you to find and kill a jedi named Master Wyellett. Wyellett was a jedi master who defeated Darth Baras during the war prior to the treaty, and took his lightsaber. Note that Satele Shan wasn't even able to defeat Baras. Furthermore, while Wyellett was on Hoth, he stated that his powers were greater than ever before, and: "Now, Wyellett has transcended the concerns of this galaxy and his powers are more realized than ever before."
Oh yeah, that guy. You need to be super dark side and super stupid to kill him iirc.
Originally posted by ares834
In either fight they only cross their sabers once.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Going back to this, the Wrath has defeated some of the greatest Sith of ALL time, such as Ekkage and Baras, as well as several Dark Council members or Dark Council level opponents. Dooku's best victories have been against Ventress, AotC Anakin and Obi-Wan and Sora Bulq. Impressive wins, but they don't really stack up.
Lol you really don't think Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ventress aren't Dark Council level?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Going back to this, the Wrath has defeated some of the greatest Sith of ALL time, such as Ekkage and Baras, as well as several Dark Council members or Dark Council level opponents. Dooku's best victories have been against Ventress, AotC Anakin and Obi-Wan and Sora Bulq. Impressive wins, but they don't really stack up.
Is Anakin having good TK really a point of contention? That's one of the skills that he's always been pretty beastly as, and one that even as Vader pretty much no one disputes. And along the way he's shown a few instances of going beyond what his current skill level would indicate he should be able to do, mostly due to his great potential (Force-users have, after all, been shown to do some pretty insane stuff when under stress, especially while younger, so it's not so out of place).
And that's why I'm okay with the CW mini feats, because I simply don't find them as out of line with what would be expected of these characters (as seems to be a somewhat popular viewpoint).
Here's my argument for Darth Tyranus' victory in this thread:
Accolades:
"Once a great Jedi Master, now an even greater Lord of the Sith"
"He was one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the
Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history"
"Dooku is a dark colossus bestriding the galaxy."-ROTS Novel
"The best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force? Best of all, Dooku would be! Our greatest student! Our greatest failure."
Source: Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
"Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective."
Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
"The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible—wickedness cut in red light."
Source: Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
Feats:
-Defeated Mace Windu in sparring
-Fought on par with Master Yoda on neutral ground.
-Defeated Sora Bulq one of the greatest Masters in the Order's history while the man had back up.
-Defeated Master Tholme
-Defeated Ventress who has tooled one of the greatest blademasters in history (Kit Fisto) while blind and drugged.
-Casually tools Kenobi on multiple occasions (I mean seriously, Maul wishes he could humiliate Obi-Wan with the casual regularity that the good count does)
-Defeats Ventress (again) with a finger.
-Manages to wound Master Yoda.
-Edges out Savage and Ventress.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol you really don't think Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ventress aren't Dark Council level?
Double negative.
Yes, though. Recall that two Dark Council members fighting demolished the largest building on Dromund Kaas. With people like Jadus, Nyriss, Nox, Thanaton, Marr, Baras etc on there its clear the level of Sith is quite high. I mean, Ventress isn't even a real Sith, she can't even use Force Lightning. The Council has held some of the greatest Sith ever.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
AotC Anakin: Has greater speed and TK then the Hero of Tython (CW Mini is C-Canon)
Ventress: Dueled evenly with Mace and Mace/Anakin, great TK and speed
Obi-Wan: The best Soresu master in history
Sora Bulq: Stated one of the greatest lightsaber instructors in Jedi HISTORY
AotC Anakin: 😐 Are you ****ing kidding me?
Ventress: I don't think she did duel evenly with Mace, that's retarded.
Obi-Wan: No, he isn't.
Sora Bulq: Not as impressive as being one of the greatest Sith Assassins in history.
