Wolverine vs Captain America

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
He one shoted a guy who can take tank shells and not be injured. He has fought a guy with hypersonic+ speed. He has taken way more damage and walked away then cap has. Wolverine has also survived getting his claws cut off.

Cap can't lift 3 tons.

So...none. Blob got two-shotted. He headbutted Logan first and got stunned, then he caught the Mutant ElbowTM. It's a weird showing, because Logan def doesn't hit with the force of a tank round. Deadpool? He never seemed as good in CQC as Wade did when he blocked an entire room's worth of gunfire to me. Probably because Riker was controlling him making him sloppy/inefficient. Oh of course, he is way more durable than Cap, that was never in doubt for me. I assume you are referring to when Sabertooth stomped them off?

He didn't lift it over his head, but he definitely got it off of WS, who, with his mechanical arm couldn't budge it.

Cap outclasses him in sheer strength. He grabs hold of Logan, slams him on the ground, traps one arm with his leg and the other with a free hand then wraps his arm around Logan's throat and squeezes. Neither an adamantium skeleton or a healing factor come into play in this scenario.

I say Cap wins 8/10

It wasn't 3 tons though, hell it wasn't even a ton. Wolverine also went head to head with the juggernau't who is far stronger than cap. Deadpool was not slower in that fight, wolverine dodged hypersonic+ attacks which makes him far faster than cap. Wolverine could also just deliver a elbow to caps head and KO him. How is cap gonna touch him when Logan is faster? What is stopping his claws from utterly impaling cap? Wolverine has better feats than cap which means

Wolverine wins 10/10

We'll just agree to disagree then.
(not 3 tons)It was about 20 feet of high-strength steel, i'll let someone else bother with calcs. (head2head with Jugg) And Juggernaut dominated him, Logan didn't tag him once. (not slower) I sure didn't see Deadpool swinging his swords around at Mach 5+ (hypersonic territory) and apparently he needed Riker to type "decapitate" before he tried to do it (I didn't see what else he typed). Like I said, he just seemed like a clunkier version of Wade because he was being remotely controlled. Just beacause some one has extremely high reaction speeds that doesn't mean they have high movement speeds. (elbow strike) Cap tends to doge/block strikes to his person.

(how he gonna grab) He only needs to grab hold once or get him on the ground. Logan has been tagged by the likes of Juggernaut and some guy who can regrow his arms. Cap would look like Muhammad Ali against him in a boxing ring. Plus his fighting style is to charge in with reckless abandon. Shouldn't be too difficult. And unless The Wolverine shows otherwise, Logan doesn't look any faster than a normal man.
(what's stopping the claws) Cap's shield and superior strength the majority of the time. But Logan certainly can get hits in, which is why I gave Cap the 8/10 instead of 10/10.

Wolverine did land blows on juggernaut though. Juggernaut also trucked like 20 something soldiers without even being slowed down. Logan has taken on guys who are stronger than cap. Just because DP needed commands does not make him slower. Wolverine runs like a normal man however his fighting speed is faster. Blob who is also stronger than cap hurt himself by head butting wolverine. You still didn't answer my question on how is cap gonna touch wolverine when he is far faster in fighting speed. Cap well no doubt throw his shield and Wolverin will be there to block it. He blocked optic beams which can destroy buildings+, while the shields only destructive is a wall. Cap will lose shield which will end his life.

Hulk in comics for example is only hypersonic in speed but has FTL fighting speed. (example for the speed feats)

That was not 20 feet high of metal either. Wolverine has taken on guys who are stronger/faster than cap.

About the magnet thing, at the end of Xmen 1, wolverine was shown being able to resist magneto. I know cause I just watched it again.

If you are referring to the fight in X-3 inside the house then no, Wolverine landed nothing. He and Juggs charged each other with Logan being sent end over end straight up into the air. Juggs then proceeded to throw/kick him around the house as he pleased. Juggs faced one swipe in the entire fight. It was parried and Logan received a left uppercut to the jaw for his trouble. The fight ended with Phoenix sending everyone to the ceiling. Trust me, I just watched it again. Jugg trucking soldiers has nothing to do with this. Yes, he has taken on people stronger than Cap. Cap has taken on a frost giant so what? Like I said, we will simply disagree on how fast Logan is. Did I say Cap would punch or headbutt Logan and win? No. There is no point in bringing that up. As far as I am concerned Cap is faster than Logan. That, coupled with superior CQC skill and superior strength means Cap can do whatever he wants to him hand to hand, including grab him. Even if he throws his shield, Superman is the only guy as predictable as Logan when it comes to fighting. Its either going to be a straight stab or haymaker swipes and always a frontal assault. Cap is excellent and diverse in h2h and can manipulate Logan's body with or without the shield.

It was a weakened near to the point of death Magneto. At full strength Logan was putty in his hands

Look, can we just end this? I won't convince you and you haven't convinced me. At least you argued your points well but its fruitless to keep this going. You say Wolverine 10/10, I say Cap 8/10. Can we drop it? Please? I don't feel like going back and forth on this all day.

Uh no, magneto was not near death as seen he took a blast from cyclops to the back and was seen later in full condition. He was injured but not near death.

But your also ignoring some of wolverine's best feats. Cap fought loki (who is a frost giant) who got owned by an arrow by hawkeye (not gonna lie that was some funny shit). And cap didn't even injure Loki. Logan has feats that put him above cap.

Jean grey > Choke hold
Wolverine survived getting ripped apart so I doubt a simple choke hold will do anything.

BTW cap lifted around 600 pounds not even a ton worth of stuff. That was a low showing not a high showing of cap.

Wolverine dodged attacks by deadpool so he can do the same with cap.

Wolverine has taken unmerciful beatings from guys who would wreck cap and wasn't even knocked out.

How is cap gonna knock somebody out when he doesn't have the required skills and abilities to do so.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Cap had trouble busting down a wall with his shield running at full speed.

Building+ blast > Wall busting shield

Its math

lol ...

Cap is more hyersonic than Logan will ever be 😄

To bad Logan has better speed feats.

Feats to support your claim or concede.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Apparently your lowballing by bringing that up.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
To bad Logan has better speed feats.

Feats to support your claim or concede.

concede what?? I don't play that shit??? you should grow up though

Cap was shown to run at great speed, In Cap: 1st Avenger , he chased after the hydra agent with the greatest of ease , jumped into the water and then broke the window to get the guy before he killed himself, speed and strength feat right there.. In Cap: WS first ten minutes into the film, Cap was shown running fast and throwing his shield with great accuracy..

the shit you've been spouting isn't speed nor strength feats..

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Low balling? Its happened TWICE already. Blunt trauma is not Wolverines best friend.

SHH!! don't say that, even though it is so damn true

Lol at Wolverine having hypersonic speed feats. His speed feats are barely super human. This shit has got seriously ridiculous.

So lowballing his durability and speed feats automatically = his best speed low. No, Wolverine has feats that trump CA, until you can post of feat that beats

Wolverine surviving getting ripped apart
Fighting a guy with hypersonic+ speed
One shoting a guy who can take tank shells and not be injured
Take building+ busting blast
Taking a beating from the juggernaut (WS nearly killed CA with his robotic arm and juggernaut is stronger than WS)

Until you find feats that beat this, you have no argument.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Low balling? Its happened TWICE already. Blunt trauma is not Wolverines best friend.

The man took a building+ blast and a beating from juggernaut. Those bullets hitting and knocking him out are low feats cause wolverine was shown to tank bullets like they were nothing before.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
It wasn't 3 tons though, hell it wasn't even a ton. Wolverine also went head to head with the juggernau't who is far stronger than cap. Deadpool was not slower in that fight, wolverine dodged hypersonic+ attacks which makes him far faster than cap. Wolverine could also just deliver a elbow to caps head and KO him. How is cap gonna touch him when Logan is faster? What is stopping his claws from utterly impaling cap? Wolverine has better feats than cap which means

Wolverine wins 10/10

You see, I have no problem with people thinking Woverine will win based on his HF and claws. But claiming that he's stronger than Cap and has hypersonic speed? WTF?! That's straight up fanboy fanaticism alley.

First off, Deadpool was hitting Wolverine majority of the time. If Wolverine was truly hypseronic then he should have had no trouble evading almost all of Deadpool's hits. The fact that he could only dodge a few and got hit by most tells you that Wolverine is slower than Deadpool. Add to that the fact that Deadpool was taking on both Sabertooth and Wolverine at the same time and we can safely assume that Wolverine is at least only half as fast as DP.

As for knocking out Blob, that's not a strength feat. That's a feat showing how hard Wolverine can hit with his elbow. If I knocked out Dave Batista with one punch using a brass knuckle, that's not an indication of how strong I am but just how hard I can punch with brass knuckles.

Wolverine has literally no strength feat that can compare to Cap lifting a bike with 3 women over his head for an extended period of time while smiling.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol at Wolverine having hypersonic speed feats. His speed feats are barely super human. This shit has got seriously ridiculous.

agreed..

Originally posted by FrothByte
You see, I have no problem with people thinking Woverine will win based on his HF and claws. But claiming that he's stronger than Cap and has hypersonic speed? WTF?! That's straight up fanboy fanaticism alley.

First off, Deadpool was hitting Wolverine majority of the time. If Wolverine was truly hypseronic then he should have had no trouble evading almost all of Deadpool's hits. The fact that he could only dodge a few and got hit by most tells you that Wolverine is slower than Deadpool. Add to that the fact that Deadpool was taking on both Sabertooth and Wolverine at the same time and we can safely assume that Wolverine is at least only half as fast as DP.

As for knocking out Blob, that's not a strength feat. That's a feat showing how hard Wolverine can hit with his elbow. If I knocked out Dave Batista with one punch using a brass knuckle, that's not an indication of how strong I am but just how hard I can punch with brass knuckles.

Wolverine has literally no strength feat that can compare to Cap lifting a bike with 3 women over his head for an extended period of time while smiling.

good post

Do you even know what hypersonic speed is God cloth?....seems you just throwing it around like a dirty sock.

i believe an example of hypersonic speed would be how superman was flying around in Man of Steel

Wait, what's this about Logan having hypersonic speed? Lol, that's BS. But then again, neither does Cap. I'd say they are close to being on par with one another in regards to fighting speed.

Strength? Cap. The bike feat trumps any Logan strength feat.

This boils down to damage soak. And Logan, obviously, has it in spades. Logan wins this due to his healing factor.

If a KO will net a win, then I'd say this is a draw, maybe 6-7/10 in Cap's favor.

If this is to the death (whick all MVF threads should be IMO), then Logan wins 10/10.

Originally posted by TheGrat1
So...none. Blob got two-shotted. He headbutted Logan first and got stunned, then he caught the Mutant ElbowTM. It's a weird showing, because Logan def doesn't hit with the force of a tank round. Deadpool? He never seemed as good in CQC as Wade did when he blocked an entire room's worth of gunfire to me. Probably because Riker was controlling him making him sloppy/inefficient. Oh of course, he is way more durable than Cap, that was never in doubt for me. I assume you are referring to when Sabertooth stomped them off?

He didn't lift it over his head, but he definitely got it off of WS, who, with his mechanical arm couldn't budge it.

Cap outclasses him in sheer strength. He grabs hold of Logan, slams him on the ground, traps one arm with his leg and the other with a free hand then wraps his arm around Logan's throat and squeezes. Neither an adamantium skeleton or a healing factor come into play in this scenario.

I say Cap wins 8/10

Cap never shown bjj skills.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You see, I have no problem with people thinking Woverine will win based on his HF and claws. But claiming that he's stronger than Cap and has hypersonic speed? WTF?! That's straight up fanboy fanaticism alley.

👆

Exactly.

I can have a debate about Wolverine's durability and all up against Cap's superior strength, speed and agility. But this Hypersonic, Juggernaut Wolverine is just a fanboy's wet dream. I'd laugh if weren't so sad.

Originally posted by meep-meep
Cap never shown bjj skills.

Yes he did. Restraining WS at the end of CA:TWS.

And with his strength and speed advantages, he'd be able to restrain Wolverine.