Aryn Leneer vs Darth Maul

Started by DarthAnt666 pages

Aryn can move so fast a human cannot see her? Maul has moved faster that a droid trained in combat can even perceive his movements, and can complete 5 slashes in an eye flicker.
Maul>Aryn in speed.

Aryn has moved cargo train with an unconfirmed length? Even the largest wouldn't be as impressive as collapsing numerous barracks as a mere teen.
Maul=>Aryn in telekinesis.

Nothing Malgus can't do.

Nothing Malgus has done is near the likes of smashing a fist through a wampa's torso until it reached the heart, then to squeeze the heart until it exploded.
Maul>>Aryn in strength.

Dueling evenly with Malgus is every bit as impressive as any of these.

I disagree. Aryn, as far as I am concerned, is not even a confirmed master of any form!
Maul>Aryn in sabers.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm sorry but that thread didn't tell me anything you haven't repeated back to me several times.

Then you didn't check it properly. You just skimmed through it.

I cannot make you understand Leener's talents without you paying attention. Check the thread properly and then get back to me.

I did and as I stated before none of the feats there are more impressive then the ones you've repeated to me many times. Face it man Aryn just isn't as powerful as Maul.

Maul could have collapsed numerous of these as a teen if he was not restrained, that's bigger then your biggest damn cargo train:

Possibly larger version as factions had larger amounts of troops they needed to house in the SW Universe.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Aryn can move so fast a human cannot see her? Maul has moved faster that a droid trained in combat can even perceive his movements, and can complete 5 slashes in an eye flicker.
Maul>Aryn in speed.

Nothing indicates that Maul is faster then Leener or even matches her:

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

Aryn did not bother to respond. She dwelled in the Force, floated in and on the warm network of lines that connected all things, one to another. Her consciousness expanded to see and feel everything near her. She focused on her perception of the passage of time, first on how it felt as she moved through it, then on spreading it, stretching it, until she could linger in a millisecond as if it were a moment, then a minute. To Zeerid it would appear that she were a blur of motion, existing simultaneously in multiple places. To her, it felt as if the universe around her had stilled. She smiled, seeing the moments that hung before her, each millisecond a long moment in which she could think, in which she could act. The effort taxed her, and she knew she could not maintain it for long.

“Watch the scanner,” Zeerid said, his words a lifetime in the utterance.

She did not watch the scanner. Her body could respond faster than any machine.

And;

From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived

But before he could stand Aryn was over him, her blade a blur of motion that formed a cocoon of green light around them, deflecting blaster shots in all directions. She grabbed him under his armpit and helped him to his feet while still deflecting shots.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Aryn has moved cargo train with an unconfirmed length? Even the largest wouldn't be as impressive as collapsing numerous barracks as a mere teen.
Maul=>Aryn in telekinesis.

Show us the actual feat.

How big and strong are these barracks? They can be mere tents for all we know.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nothing Malgus has done is near the likes of smashing a fist through a wampa's torso until it reached the heart, then to squeeze the heart until it exploded.
Maul>>Aryn in strength.

Malgus lifted a Jedi up with one hand and choked him to death. Later on, he cracked a marble top with a single blow. Later on, he killed a powerful Sith rival with bare hands.

If Malgus wants to rip an animal apart, he can certainly do it with laughable ease.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I disagree. Aryn, as far as I am concerned, is not even a confirmed master of any form!
Maul>Aryn in sabers.

Subjective assessment

Their is no need for explicit mentions of Leener being an expert swordsman herself when she demonstrated such caliber of dueling arts with her feats.

It wasn't an animal as has been mentioned before it was a Wampa with extremely thick skin which hi doubt Malgus would be able to penetrate with his bear hands. Along with that Malgus could certainly not simulate the feat of smashing through durasteel as Maul did when sparring barehanded with the Sith Bots.

A wampa is an animal, lol.

Originally posted by Syndicate
It wasn't an animal as has been mentioned before it was a Wampa with extremely thick skin which hi doubt Malgus would be able to penetrate with his bear hands. Along with that Malgus could certainly not simulate the feat of smashing through durasteel as Maul did when sparring barehanded with the Sith Bots.

You serious?

Malgus is among the most powerful Sith Lords in galactic history. These feats are nothing to him.

Nothing indicates that Maul is faster then Leener or even matches her:

Dude, Maul has outmatched both of those accolades.


Aryn did not bother to respond. She dwelled in the Force, floated in and on the warm network of lines that connected all things, one to another. Her consciousness expanded to see and feel everything near her. She focused on her perception of the passage of time, first on how it felt as she moved through it, then on spreading it, stretching it, until she could linger in a millisecond as if it were a moment, then a minute. To Zeerid it would appear that she were a blur of motion, existing simultaneously in multiple places. To her, it felt as if the universe around her had stilled. She smiled, seeing the moments that hung before her, each millisecond a long moment in which she could think, in which she could act. The effort taxed her, and she knew she could not maintain it for long.

“Watch the scanner,” Zeerid said, his words a lifetime in the utterance.

She did not watch the scanner. Her body could respond faster than any machine.

Maul waited until the moon was low in the sky before he went to Lommite Limited's headquarters at the base of the escarpment. The incidents of sabotage had caused the complex of buildings to be placed on high alert. Armed sentries, some accompanied by leashed beasts, patrolled, and powerful illuminators cast circles of brilliant light over the spacious grounds. A five-meter-high electrified stun fence encompassed everything.
Maul spent an hour studying the movements of the sentries, the periodic sweeps of the illuminators, the towering fence, and the motion detector lasers that gridded the broad lawn beyond. He was certain that infrared cams were scanning the grounds, but there was little he could do about those without leaving evidence of his infiltration. A probe droid would have been able to tell him all he needed to know, but there wasn't time and he wanted to do this personally. To test the possibility that pressure detectors had been installed in the ground, he used the Force to propel stones over the fence. As they struck specific places on the lawn, he waited for some response, but the guards stationed at the entry gates simply continued to go about their business.
When he was satisfied that he had committed the results of his reconnaissance to memory, he shrugged out of his cloak and leapt straight up over the fence, landing precisely where some of the rocks he had tossed rested. Then he sprang to a series of other sites that ultimately carried him to the wall of the principal building, moving with such speed the entire time that whatever holorecordings were being made wouldn't show him unless they were played in slow motion.

-From Darth Maul: Saboteur

The dark side blossomed in Darth Maul, the power of it resonating in him like black lightning, augmenting his years of training, guiding his actions. Time seemed to slow, to stretch.
-From Darth Maul Shadow Hunter

But before he could stand Aryn was over him, her blade a blur of motion that formed a cocoon of green light around them, deflecting blaster shots in all directions. She grabbed him under his armpit and helped him to his feet while still deflecting shots.

The Sith and the Jedi leapt from the speeder bike onto the platform to continue their battle. The docking ledge was only about ten meters by fifteen, barely enough room to maneuver in. Maul knew he had to dispatch the Jedi quickly, before Pavan once again vanished into the labyrinth of Coruscant's downlevels. He pressed the attack viciously, blocking and thrusting, the twin radiant blades spinning a web of light about him.
-From Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

The Sith and the Jedi leapt from the speeder bike onto the platform to continue their battle. The docking ledge was only about ten meters by fifteen, barely enough room to maneuver in. Maul knew he had to dispatch the Jedi quickly, before Pavan once again vanished into the labyrinth of Coruscant's downlevels. He pressed the attack viciously, blocking and thrusting, the twin radiant blades spinning a web of light about him.
-From Darth Maul Shadow Hunter

Show us the actual feat.

How big and strong are these barracks? They can be mere tents for all we know.


Intrepid37 has the exact quote.

Malgus lifted a Jedi up with one hand and choked him to death. Later on, he cracked a marble top with a single blow. Later on, he killed a powerful Sith rival with bare hands.

Maul has done all of this, plus more.

If Malgus wants to rip an animal apart, he can certainly do it with laughable ease.

Your speculation is meaningless to me.

Their is no need for explicit mentions of Leener being an expert swordsman herself when she demonstrated such caliber of dueling arts with her feats.

And Maul hasn't? XD

Found it:

Its circuitous innards exposed, the combat vibroblade rested on a low table, alongside a small tool kit. Electrodriver in hand, Maul was working feverishly on the knife’s ultrasonic vibration generator, intent on overriding the built-in arrestor to supply the blade with greater slashing power. If he wasn’t permitted to use the Force, then he would use everything short of it to satisfy the rage inside him; to gut every living thing he encountered during the coming Gora solo. Bathe in the blood he would shed, feast on warm flesh... Merely imagining it set his fingers trembling, and abruptly the tool slipped from its tenuous hold in the socket and stabbed deeply into the palm of his opposite hand, opening a small wound and bursting the dam of his pent-up emotion. Maul’s clenched right hand slammed down on the table, shattering its surface, and the vibroblade took flight, nearly impaling itself in his head. Straightening, he bared his filed teeth and tensed his body, close to loosing a scream that would have brought the barracks down around him.
Instead, he inhaled deeply, and lowered himself into a chair, hoping to get control of himself.

--Taken from Restraint

By the way, sustaining several low-damage blaster bolts as a teenager has to be one of the best feats of resilience in the entire mythos.

Eh, its good.

Maul vs Malgus would be a better fight.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, its good.

They're used to render wookies unconscious. During his training, he spent a lot of time on being more resisting pain, so to accomplish the feat as a teenager is really, really good.

Remember folks, you only need three things to win:

More feats.
Live action origins.
Not be EU only.

#kmclogic.

"The fanboy is upset. The fanboy is in dismay. A character not in the Old Republic winning a battle? Impossible it may seem to him."
-The Tales of Stealth Moose

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dude, Maul has outmatched both of those accolades.

I haven't seen anything from him yet which affirms your stance. See below.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Maul waited until the moon was low in the sky before he went to Lommite Limited's headquarters at the base of the escarpment. The incidents of sabotage had caused the complex of buildings to be placed on high alert. Armed sentries, some accompanied by leashed beasts, patrolled, and powerful illuminators cast circles of brilliant light over the spacious grounds. A five-meter-high electrified stun fence encompassed everything.
Maul spent an hour studying the movements of the sentries, the periodic sweeps of the illuminators, the towering fence, and the motion detector lasers that gridded the broad lawn beyond. He was certain that infrared cams were scanning the grounds, but there was little he could do about those without leaving evidence of his infiltration. A probe droid would have been able to tell him all he needed to know, but there wasn't time and he wanted to do this personally. To test the possibility that pressure detectors had been installed in the ground, he used the Force to propel stones over the fence. As they struck specific places on the lawn, he waited for some response, but the guards stationed at the entry gates simply continued to go about their business.
When he was satisfied that he had committed the results of his reconnaissance to memory, he shrugged out of his cloak and leapt straight up over the fence, landing precisely where some of the rocks he had tossed rested. Then he sprang to a series of other sites that ultimately carried him to the wall of the principal building, moving with such speed the entire time that whatever holorecordings were being made wouldn't show him unless they were played in slow motion.

-From Darth Maul: Saboteur

And how exactly is this faster movement then Leener's?

His movements could be tracked by cameras, could be observed in slow motion. In contrast, Leener exceeded tracking potential of any machine in the mythos. Read the presented information carefully.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The dark side blossomed in Darth Maul, the power of it resonating in him like black lightning, augmenting his years of training, guiding his actions. Time seemed to slow, to stretch.
-From Darth Maul Shadow Hunter

Ok, this is something but he haven't exceeded Leener's movements in any situation. To Leener, it felt like as if time have frozen in place.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Sith and the Jedi leapt from the speeder bike onto the platform to continue their battle. The docking ledge was only about ten meters by fifteen, barely enough room to maneuver in. Maul knew he had to dispatch the Jedi quickly, before Pavan once again vanished into the labyrinth of Coruscant's downlevels. He pressed the attack viciously, blocking and thrusting, the twin radiant blades spinning a web of light about him.
-From Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter

Good speed feat, admittedly. However, this doesn't proves that he can swing his blade faster then Leener: Maul is armed with a double-bladed lightsaber and it is easier to formulate a cocoon of light with it then with a normal lightsaber. Leener managed to formulate a cocoon of light all around herself with a normal lightsaber while deflecting enemy fire from all directions around her which is indicative of relatively superior speed in this respect.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Intrepid37 has the exact quote.

Waiting...

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Maul has done all of this, plus more.

?

I see a list of mostly vague statements here which are being blown out of proportion in childish manner:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
STRENGTH FEATS:
- Broken necks
- Shattered durasteel binders
- Sent his fist through a wampa's torso
- Crushed a heart in his hand
- Sent his foot into torsos
- Shattered tables
- Slammed bodies against a steel floor hard enough for the floor to vibrate
- Crushed a droids skull and shattered its photoreceptors
- Squeezed a droids head so tightly it began to fold inwards
- Shattered spines

- Crushed necks and shattered spines of whom?
- Shattered what kind tables?

And you seriously think that Force-users of caliber of Leener and Malgus cannot replicate these kind of feats?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Your speculation is meaningless to me.

Speculation?

This animal holds no candle to strength of powerful Force-users.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And Maul hasn't? XD

Did I dispute?

Maul have no superiority in this contest.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"The fanboy is upset. The fanboy is in dismay. A character not in the Old Republic winning a battle? Impossible it may seem to him."
-The Tales of Stealth Moose

U mad?

His movements could be tracked by cameras, could be observed in slow motion. In contrast, Leener exceeded tracking potential of any machine in the mythos. Read the presented information carefully.

Read your information carefully. She was faster then any droid (up to that time), but that doesn't mean they couldn't track her. A droid was unable to even process Maul (which is better then a human not being able to process Leener) without slowing it down.

Ok, this is something but he haven't exceeded Leener's movements in any situation. To Leener, it felt like as if time have frozen in place.

Quote?

Good speed feat, admittedly. However, this doesn't proves that he can swing his blade faster then Leener: Maul is armed with a double-bladed lightsaber and it is easier to formulate a cocoon of light with it then with a normal lightsaber. Leener managed to formulate a cocoon of light all around herself with a normal lightsaber while deflecting enemy fire from all directions around her which is indicative of relatively superior speed in this respect.

The accolade is still better then that you provided, however.

Crushed necks and shattered spines of whom?

From the most ruthless prisoners of Cog Hive Seven. 😉

And you seriously think that Force-users of caliber of Leener and Malgus cannot perform replicate these kind of feats?

Well they never did.

Waiting...

Its circuitous innards exposed, the combat vibroblade rested on a low table, alongside a small tool kit. Electrodriver in hand, Maul was working feverishly on the knife’s ultrasonic vibration generator, intent on overriding the built-in arrestor to supply the blade with greater slashing power. If he wasn’t permitted to use the Force, then he would use everything short of it to satisfy the rage inside him; to gut every living thing he encountered during the coming Gora solo. Bathe in the blood he would shed, feast on warm flesh... Merely imagining it set his fingers trembling, and abruptly the tool slipped from its tenuous hold in the socket and stabbed deeply into the palm of his opposite hand, opening a small wound and bursting the dam of his pent-up emotion. Maul’s clenched right hand slammed down on the table, shattering its surface, and the vibroblade took flight, nearly impaling itself in his head. Straightening, he bared his filed teeth and tensed his body, close to loosing a scream that would have brought the barracks down around him.
Instead, he inhaled deeply, and lowered himself into a chair, hoping to get control of himself.

--Taken from Restraint