It really does seem like Aryn's speed and Maul's are rather identical. Both move too fast for security cameras to pick up, both weave cocoons/tapestries of light with their sabers respectively, both move so fast time seems to slow, and both of them move faster than the human eye can see.
Aryn's TK is also pretty comparable to Maul's. She moved a 6-car cargo tram, but judging from the picture that's no bigger than the shuttle that Maul moved. She unleashed a TK wave that brought down a couple of statues, though judging from the description they didn't seem overly large. Maul has done just as well in his feat of sending dozens flying with a TK wave, anyhow. Not only that, but he's also collapsed caves and was able to ragdoll Kenobi to some extent, I'd give him a small edge here. Aryn's complex manipulation of lightsabers while throwing them is very neat though.
So what this boils down to really is strength and skill, and Maul has the better feats in both.
Maul wins in a close fight, my respect for Leneer has increased dramatically though. Did not know her speed/TK feats were that good.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What Neph said.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You want the exact statistics, seriously? Fast enough that if Maul can move faster then he can process, it's more impressive then Leneer running faster then a human can see.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No.
Maul may or may not have moved faster then the Train that he dodged with speed.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's stated he could have crumbled the barrack(s). This is more impressive then anything Leener has done. Period.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Maul has already done this:
"In his mind, the duel was all but over— his opponent was now dragging out the inevitable moment of defeat in a series of small humiliations. By turning to such diversionary tactics, Vosa had all but admitted that she was no match for the erratic staccato blows that he was delivering, seemingly from everywhere, all at once."
Darth Maul Shadow Hunter
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Like I said, Maul has moved in such speeds time has slowed as well:
"The dark side blossomed in Darth Maul, the power of it resonating in him like black lightning, augmenting his years of training, guiding his reactions. Time seemed to slow, to stretch."
Darth Maul Shadow Hunter
In case of Leener, we have a measuring stick; a millisecond seemed to pass like a minute or possibly greater duration to her.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Notice the state she was in, she could not even hold up for long. Maul could, however.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's great, but so what? 4,000 years of better technology later, Maul is still out doing it.
Technological progression in Star Wars is fast in some ways but extremely slow in others. 4000 years ago, starships still achieve hyperspace movements, droids are very advanced (much more so then some models in PT era), powerful blaster weapons exist much like in later eras and the list continues......
In-fact, their are some technological marvels in ancient times that have never been matched in any future era.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Aryn observing minutes as seconds is processing speed; likewise, Maul has seen nearly invisible fast blows in slow motion, so he has the edge in perception speed.
Maul doesn't have edge in perception and speed. In-fact, Leener has.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What matters is combat speed.
Leener formulated a cocoon of light around herself with a normal lightsaber, deflecting blaster fire from every angle around her.
In contrast, Maul wields double-bladed lightsaber and seems to formulate a web of light with it. Now, double-bladed lightsaber have twice the blade coverage of a normal lightsaber and it is much easier to formulate a web or cocoon of light with it then a normal lightsaber (meaning: less speed required)
Leener also have demonstrated the capability to outright disarm her opponents with her TK abilities, be they are normal individuals or even Force-users. She is one of the (2) Jedi to have given Malgus tough time in a duel besides Satele Shan and I don't think Maul is this much strong and capable. Malgus is likely to subdue the brothers as well.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Do you have a quote for that feat where she observes ships in slowmotion?
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived"WE HAVE TO JUMP right on their heels, Aryn."
Aryn did not bother to respond. She dwelled in the Force, floated in and on the warm network of lines that connected all things, one to another. Her consciousness expanded to see and feel everything near her. She focused on her perception of the passage of time, first on how it felt as she moved through it, then on spreading it, stretching it, until she could linger in a millisecond as if it were a moment, then a minute. To Zeerid it would appear that she were a blur of motion, existing simultaneously in multiple places. To her, it felt as if the universe around her had stilled. She smiled, seeing the moments that hung before her, each millisecond a long moment in which she could think, in which she could act. The effort taxed her, and she knew she could not maintain it for long.
"Watch the scanner," Zeerid said, his words a lifetime in the utterance.
She did not watch the scanner. Her body could respond faster than any machine. Instead she watched the viewscreen. The Imperial ships had finished their hydrogen skim and now maneuvered into a formation suitable for a hyperspace jump, the supply ships within the ring of the frigate escort.
She tensed.
"They're forming up," Zeerid said. The waves of his tension crashed against her but she dammed them off, did not allow them to disrupt her focus.
She watched, waited, waited …
As one, the Imperial ships began to stretch in her perception. For a nanosecond, all of them seemed to stretch to infinity, their rear engines a hundred thousand kilometers off Fatman’s bow, their forms reaching across and through an incomprehensible distance. She knew it was illusion, that is was a trick of her perception caused by the moment they entered hyperspace seeming to freeze before her eyes.
She engaged Fatman's hyperdrive and the black night of space turned blue.
"Now, Aryn! Now!" Zeerid said, but he was far too late.
They were already gone.
She remained immersed in the Force as Fatman surged through hyperspace. The ordinary maddening churn slowed to a crawl of spirals and whorls, the script of the universe writ large in characters of blue, turquoise, midnight, and lavender. She fancied there might be meaning in the lines, an important revelation that hung before her, just beyond the reach of her consciousness.
She lost track of the slow passage of time. Zeerid spoke to her from time to time but his words bounced off her perception, ricocheted without her comprehension. In time, something he said penetrated her understanding.
"Coming out, Aryn. Be ready."
She watched Zeerid, moving in slow motion, pull back on the lever that engaged the hyperdrive.
She readied herself, and the moment the blue of hyperspace started to fade into black, she pushed a series of buttons and switches that turned Fatman cold except for life support, thrusters, and the small amount of power they’d need to create an electromagnetic bond.
The blue disappeared in favor of the midnight of space, and she returned to normal perception.
"Engaging thrusters," Zeerid said. "Well done, Aryn."
EPIC...
Huh, thats more impressive than I remembered. Depite saying she can't maintain it for long, she keeps it up for the whole hyperspace journey.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Best known speed feat of Maul yet. Yes, this seems to be on par with Leener's in the context of description at minimum. But then again:
No Legend, its just hyperbole. Obviously he didn't actually seem to be everywhere at once, thats just an expression.
Faster then he can process....what?
Assumptions wise, Maul seems to have edge. But 'comparative actions' wise, Leener seems to have edge.
Technological progression in Star Wars is fast in some ways but extremely slow in others. 4000 years ago, starships still achieve hyperspace movements, droids are very advanced (much more so then some models in PT era), powerful blaster weapons exist much like in later eras and the list continues......In-fact, their are some technological marvels in ancient times that have never been matched in any future era.
EPIC...
Also something LeGenD left out:
"Sweat soaked her robes, pasted them to her body. She felt as if she had not slept in days."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He can move faster then the droid can process his movements,
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
same goes for cameras, unless they slow down the footage greatly.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. Her cargo train is an unconfirmed size. Anything with it is an assumption.
Even if we consider small tramcars:
Simultaneously hurling six of these like missiles is going to look very impressive. For all we know, Leener might have dealt with relatively larger tramcars and 6 of them in total.
Do the math.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Malgus even said the technology of the Rakata makes theres look primitive, but that does not change the fact throughout the years forward, they move into superior technology, just look at our world today.
Celestials (an extremely ancient civilization) build some machines so enormous and powerful that they could be used to reshape star systems. Ponder over this for a moment.
Technological progression in Star Wars isn't a simple matter of scientists continuously coming up with new and better inventions like in real world. Yes, in some aspects, technological progression did occur, but not in all aspects.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The most important part:
"The effort taxed her, and she knew she could not maintain it for long."
Honestly it just seems like shes in deep battle meditation. It's not as if she's in combat or anything. The feet spans to her ability to see very fast movements in some special trance, but that does not necessarily mean she can replicate or perform it in the battlefield.Also something LeGenD left out:
"Sweat soaked her robes, pasted them to her body. She felt as if she had not slept in days."
Important point is that Leener reacted faster then Maul ever did, she literally perceived hyperspace related developments with her own reflexes. And she did perform several actions during this feat, she ensured with her actions that Fatman would successfully pursue Imperial ships during the hyperspace travelling procedure towards Coruscant and use them as a cover to land on Coruscant.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: DeceivedThe trailing freighter in the convoy, five times the size of Fatman, flew right before them. They had jumped out within the ring of frigates and gone cold so fast the frigates would not have perceived their arrival. They were directly under one of the freighters, a kilometer beneath its underside, maybe less.
In the distance, the metal-and-duracrete sphere of Coruscant floated in space. The rest of the convoy spread out before them. The trailing freighter’s ion engines fired, and it started to head out."Not so fast," Zeerid said.
He punched the thrusters and Fatman lurched toward the freighter until its underside filled their field of vision. It started to pull away.
Zeerid hit the thrusters again.
"There it is," he said, closing on the freighter's cargo bay. His hands flew over the instrument panel, using one thruster then another to angle the ship, finally flipping Fatman over so that her flat ventral side faced a flat spot on the Imperial freighter. As they closed, Zeerid flipped a switch, using Fatman’s deflector array to form an electromagnetic field. He killed the thrusters and they coasted in.
"Brace," he said.
Fatman closed a few hundred meters more and then the electromagnetic field did the rest, pulling them tight against the Imperial ship. Aryn felt barely a lurch.
"As soft as a kiss," Zeerid said, and eased back in his seat. He looked over at Aryn, all grins, seemingly unsurprised by his success. "Let's take a ride."