Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Pretty sure tanking the world engine blast, then flying through it and destroying the whole ship was above absorbing radiation from uranium.
AND? that isn't an offensive feat... people are claiming superman PRODUCED for kinetic energy than Shaw was shown absorbing... that is absolutely false... NO punch or anything he did was shown doing more damage or causing more kinetic energy than shaw was shown draining.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Pretty sure tanking the world engine blast, then flying through it and destroying the whole ship was above absorbing radiation from uranium.
Absolutely.
We've seen MOS very hurt internally when he was inside the kryptonion ship (after he gained better control of his powers), incapacitated briefly in the beginning after saving the oil workers, hitting that rock face while training, and very momentarily by Zod before Zod double-fist-flies him into the atmosphere.
I really do think Cavill Supes is like Marvel comic book Gladiator in the sense that his potential is based on his mentality. Because he was shown to improve says something.
With that said. He still has been shown to be put down, however briefly. Shaw has not.
We relly need to wait for more showings on each. Relly.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
AND? that isn't an offensive feat... people are claiming superman PRODUCED for kinetic energy than Shaw was shown absorbing... that is absolutely false... NO punch or anything he did was shown doing more damage or causing more kinetic energy than shaw was shown draining.
Actually it was an offensive feat, it tired to kill him, he destroyed it. He punched a whole in it when he flew threw it, did you watch the movie?
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Originally posted by StealthRanger
In order to be able to fly and not crash into ****ing anything, you need to have massive reactions. And reactions and movement are very closely correlated so, yeahFast reactions don't necessarily denote fast movement
But for something more direct, him and Zod fight while flying around so, there you go
*waiting patiently for the gem of "it didn't look that fast so it isn't"*
They visibly slowed down
Humans don't have that huge a disparity
So you're saying you can run a hundred metres in under ten seconds?
What are we comparing to Superman to make such a statement. To say he's only subsonic in movement in ****ing silly given his feats of speed
Yes we see him plow into enemies, and we see Faora's walking speed, but we don't see anything that can denote a blitz
>combat speed "argument"
That's not how vs debating works. You don't take speed feats and categorize them into shit like "travel speed", "combat speed", "movement speed" because, well, how the **** do you measure combat speed without using movement, given in fights there's like, no indicator of how fast a character is actually going. Reason we use speed feats to measure a characters speed, not how fast fights appear
But it helps
I wouldn't say that Spidey's movement and travel speed are the same cos he " moves " and he " travels" in different ways
Originally posted by StealthRanger
That's piloting a device. Not flying under your own power. Also the mountain thing was before he even got acquainted with his powerfulSo it was a simple 15 minutes eh
Are you honest to god stupid to believe a ****er who flies at massively hypersonic speed is limited to only superhuman reactions?
We never saw anything to denote superhuman reactions
We saw him flying, either over open ground or into buildingsWell that's kind of what I was thinking
Again no bfr
And there was never any power shown in movie that Shaw couldn't tank
And what I meant, Superman and Zod were flying around punching eachother the whole time, which is a speed/reaction feat. Whoa
Again they physically slowed down
Nah, it's clearcut
What? The sonic booms? Pure strength, not speed
I guess so, yes. If he's not completely unco
Uncommon?
Same generally goes for character who can fly super fast and aren't really physical fighters, like Sailor Moon, for example
Unless this is something like Kain's "jump" ability which is a conscious decision to boost himself and said "amp" only lasts while said ability is being used and nowhere else
have no idea what you are saying here
Being autistic about something you dislike doesn't make something "in question", it just means you're, ****ing autistic, quite bluntly
****wad I have a problem with people using that word a an insult so lay off it
Again, who are we comparing to Superman to make such comparisons? Even then, why would this discredit him being massively hypersonic now?
Humans are only generally 6 to 15 meters per second (I believe?) in terms of movement. To assume Superman would be limited to low end superhuman attack speed when he's shown Mach triple digit feats, well, is ****ing idiotic. Akin to the same shit the Phenom Brigade and Moses and his MVC retard gang spouted off in comic vs DBZ threads with the "combat speed" nonsense
I don't see him going in the triple machs
The slowest he could be is mach 3 iircCurious to know how you define "combat speed" if we don't use notable speed feats over how fast fights "appeared". Well, I'm waiting
/que the MVC-esque "can only be measured in combat" shtick
Originally posted by StealthRanger
http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/79-combat-speed-fallacyI suggest you read it. All of it
****er sounds incredibly butthurt
Originally posted by dadudemon
11 seconds is quite a long time, actually. Shaw may take this. I believe the goal was for Superman to fly about 100 times faster than the explosive front of a grenade. Here's why I come up with that: it is past the limit required to penetrate through shaws entire body before it can adapt. The grenade damaged him enough to cause him to bleed so that at least damaged some blood vessels underneath his skin (epidermis, dermis, and subdermis). Penetrating the rest of the way through the body OR penetrating enough to deliver a lethal punch would require someone move much faster than the explosive front of a grenade over the same period of time. So instead of traveling 4mm through Shaw's skin, it travels the entire distance through the back of his head (a fist).Does that make sense? That was my logic waaay back at the beginning of this thread: the delay in Shaw's body to adapt. Shaw's body adapts absurdly quickly. That cannot be denied. But does Superman have the speed to exceed that quickness of adaptation?
But I don't actually remember how show got the bloody mouth...I thought it was the grenade.
Were are you getting that you saw him bleed?
I don't remember him bleeding at all
And if the all a nuclear reactor could give him was a nose bleed then Shaw slowly rolls Supes into a ball and plays footie with the corpse
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Shaw was amped from the core. None of his abilities of absorbing before that showed any super human strength or the ability to reproduce them.He cannot even replicate others powers and receives slight amp from mutants powers. He knew he had to amp from the core to contend with Magneto and the X Men.
He has zero brawling feats, he has zero super human feats on Superman's level.
A) you're an idiot just getting that out the way
B)I don't even know were to start with the wrongness of how you are
i) Shaw got shot with 4-6 bullets and it was enough to send the man flying so far that he never came back down
ii) he killed a guy who's power was literally that he always survived
iii) where the hell does he get an amp from mutants (you might be mixing your super powered villains {Samuel Sullivan from Heroes})
iiii) He didn't need amp. The biggest powerhouse on the First Class team got treated like a child in a direct confrontation with him
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually it was an offensive feat, it tired to kill him, he destroyed it. He punched a whole in it when he flew threw it, did you watch the movie?
Are your full clownshoes mode or what... It wasn't trying to kill him... It was there terraforming and working with the other one on the opposite side of the planet. It wasn't there to kill superman. How does this fact allude you? When it released it tentacles to try and prevent ANY enemy from getting near it... that isn't very impressive he beat that.. and again isn't near anything like Shaw absorbing the nuclear reactor. Supes flying through a beam NOT MEANT TO KILL HIIM... While impressive.. didn't cause more kinetic energy than anything shaw was doing. Prove superman did anything that was above shaw absorbing pretty much the whole reactor.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are your full clownshoes mode or what... It wasn't trying to kill him... It was there terraforming and working with the other one on the opposite side of the planet. It wasn't there to kill superman. How does this fact allude you? When it released it tentacles to try and prevent ANY enemy from getting near it... that isn't very impressive he beat that.. and again isn't near anything like Shaw absorbing the nuclear reactor. Supes flying through a beam NOT MEANT TO KILL HIIM... While impressive.. didn't cause more kinetic energy than anything shaw was doing. Prove superman did anything that was above shaw absorbing pretty much the whole reactor.
Your a fool, it threw him into the beam to kill him. The beam was crushing everything, considering Shaw could absorb the energy given his powe rset and having to Amp to defeat Mag, how is that impressive? He took a coin through the head and died. Get off your high horse of bacon.
Kryptonian World Engine>Soviet Nuclear Reactor
So???? The beam wasn't designed to kill him NOR is that why it was there... I was there terraforming and nothing more. Just because he threw him into the beam don't act like that was its purpose. Further, and again... that beam doesn't produce more concussion kinetic energy than a nuclear reactor shaw was shown EFFORTLESS absorbing. So, I'm waiting for the feat that is shown to overload Shaw.. which you claimed there was... I'm still waiting for it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So???? The beam wasn't designed to kill him NOR is that why it was there... I was there terraforming and nothing more. Just because he threw him into the beam don't act like that was its purpose. Further, and again... that beam doesn't produce more concussion kinetic energy than a nuclear reactor shaw was shown EFFORTLESS absorbing. So, I'm waiting for the feat that is shown to overload Shaw.. which you claimed there was... I'm still waiting for it.
Actually he was thrown into the beam on purpose because the machine was trying to kill him. The beam actually does produce concussive force, and the reactor does not. You have it backwards again.
Kryptonian World Engine>Soviet Nuclear Reactor
Lets keep talking about how the soviet reactor produced a greater concussive force then the world engine. I really want to explore this further..
Where was this nuclear reactor producing a concussive force? I saw two rods pop up and shaw put his hands on them to absorb the energy..
Here is world engine.
YouTube video
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
So it was a simple 15 minutes eh
Not sure what you're point is?
We never saw anything to denote superhuman reactions
We saw him flying, either over open ground or into buildings
>combat speed argument, again
Again no bfrAnd there was never any power shown in movie that Shaw couldn't tank
Superman can just kill him before he can register anything
/still waiting for the proof Shaw's ability is some kind of automatic defense
Again they physically slowed down
Prove it
What? The sonic booms? Pure strength, not speed
>sonic boom
>strength
I
just
what?
Uncommon?
Uncoordinated. Do you even lingo?
have no idea what you are saying here
There is no such thing as "combat speed". It is nothing more than a fallacy and a lie made up by MVC tards and such to lowball an opponent's speed
Again, who are we comparing to Superman to make such comparisons? Even then, why would this discredit him being massively hypersonic now?
Humans are only generally 6 to 15 meters per second (I believe?) in terms of movement. To assume Superman would be limited to low end superhuman attack speed when he's shown Mach triple digit feats, well, is ****ing idiotic. Akin to the same shit the Phenom Brigade and Moses and his MVC retard gang spouted off in comic vs DBZ threads with the "combat speed" nonsense
I don't see him going in the triple machs
The slowest he could be is mach 3 iirc
Are you trying to imply flying into space and around parts of the planet from space are only supersonic?
You're joking, surely?
****er sounds incredibly butthurt
I take it you didn't read it then
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Were are you getting that you saw him bleed?I don't remember him bleeding at all
And if the all a nuclear reactor could give him was a nose bleed then Shaw slowly rolls Supes into a ball and plays footie with the corpse
A) you're an idiot just getting that out the way
B)I don't even know were to start with the wrongness of how you are
i) Shaw got shot with 4-6 bullets and it was enough to send the man flying so far that he never came back down
ii) he killed a guy who's power was literally that he always survived
iii) where the hell does he get an amp from mutants (you might be mixing your super powered villains {Samuel Sullivan from Heroes})
iiii) He didn't need amp. The biggest powerhouse on the First Class team got treated like a child in a direct confrontation with him
A. Actually your the idiot
B. Everything you said is wrong
C. So he killed a mutant, from burning him from the inside out..hmm.What are the great feats of this mutant besides sticking his head in a aquarium and breathing like a jackass?
D. You can't read, I said he amped from the nuclear core
E. He actually did need the amp because in the first confrontation he ran like hell from Magneto. In the second one he prepped and amped to beat him. If in fact he didn't need to amp, then why did he? Use your small brain and shut up.