Originally posted by carver9True. But the way Sentry put it it seemed every aspect of Void is gone.
Yes but you have to remember...Sentry and Void are one. Whatever Void did, he did it with Sentrys power. With that said, I don't see anything weird or out of context with Sentry using that ability since Sentry IS Void.
Originally posted by SamZED
True. But the way Sentry put it it seemed every aspect of Void is gone.
It just may well be. I actually liked the void. But I can't wait to see a Sentry with a clear conscience without all of the baggage. No more using mental escapades for excuses. We can potentially have a consistently written Sentry.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer vs. Millenneus (while weakened):Surfer not only lasts much longer, he had a much better back and forth, and even physically held his own against Millenneus better than Thor did. [b]Surfer did all of this after having his power cosmic drained.
I think it's very substantiated that Surfer performed better. [/B]
I'd say DS sentry would beat Surfer, but objectively, Surfer did end up looking better in those scans.
Originally posted by dial J for Joshwhere is he btw. Was he ever shown after that last fight with Thor and Jen?
It just may well be. I actually liked the void. But I can't wait to see a Sentry with a clear conscience without all of the baggage. No more using mental escapades for excuses. We can potentially have a consistently written Sentry.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's nowhere. They PISed him off of the story. I guess Remender didn't know how to handle a character that was possibly more powerful and more dangerous than the Apoc twins combined.😂
😆 sooooo true. Remender was originally going to bring ares back but decided to go with Bob he was probably thinking "Goddamn I forgot how powerful this insane douche was, and on top of that we gave him an amp. quick pretend like it never happened" but seriously after being eaten by the worm he by now should have escaped or reformed with ease. That's the issue with having uber powered trans beings in comics they will inevitably be PISed away. Ill just speculate that since he is all philosophical now that he is thinking up some cliche' reasoning. "All is nothingness therefore I will seize to follow the apocalypse twins" or some crap.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said Surfer did not defeat Durok, but he did so through a time jump bfr or something. It is a showing with a huge asterisk. Your initial post implies that Surfer is somehow more powerful than Thor based on this fight when he was completely outclassed against Durok.
Why the huge asterisk? Knocking Durok out and dumping him into the future still counts as defeating him.
If anything YOU need to stop leaving out context intentionally to present a different picture from what happened.
How am I leaving out context? All I did was provide missing scans that you neglected to post.
What are you talking about? I posted the entire fight.No, you missed the last scan of the fight that clearly shows that Surfer knocked Durok out. I think that's a pretty damn important scan to leave out.
Why are you implying that I left out some context or something? What does Surfer reviving Thor have to do with Surfer vs. Durok? I acknowledged that Durok practically killed Thor if that's what you mean.
I posted all the scenes where Surfer and Durok encounter each other, including the scene where he takes him to the future. Look at my last post.
Again, I posted the entire fight and I already told you that Surfer beat Durok. Smh. It was simply with a huge asterisk and not all relevant unless you think he is going to try and bfr Sentry. Nor does it in anyway imply a power superiority over Thor.Stop downplaying Surfer beating Durok. Surfer knocked Durok out and then time dumped him. There's no "asterisk" needed. And why wouldn't a time BFR be considered viable? A regular BFR wouldn't work on Sentry since he can easily return with his FTL speed. A time dump is something he can't return from.
Before you or any body else says time travel isn't in character for Surfer, he's actually time traveled several times, including with numerous allies.
And if a space worm can remove Sentry from the battlefield why couldn't Surfer?
I do attack him because leaving out context purposefully is shady and underhanded shit.
No argument from me.
Aside from the fact that we BOTH know Surfer revived Thor, it's not relevant to Surfer vs. Durok. I'll scan the entire comic from you from the cover to the letter pages if you think I have some issue with posting all the scans (Which is retarded, as this is a well known fight and the scans are easy to come across).
Why wouldn't it be? Expending a lot of energy reviving a god (especially during the era when Surfer was depowered) is costly in a fight. You left out the scan showing Surfer knocking Durok out.
Thor fought Durok three times back to back (It's a running narrative, the clock does not reset just because it's the next issue). As a matter of fact, right before he fought Durok, he fought Loki (With the Odin Ring).No, Thor fought Durok for a LOT longer than Surfer. He also fought Durok far more evenly even in close combat while Surfer was continuously manhandled like some limp-wristed fagg*t, was taken out in like one attack.
The second fight was pretty short, Thor arrives and gets whacked to the ground. Then as soon as Thor is about to attack, Durok get's teleported away. That doesn't sound very long if Durok was teleported away before Thor could even attack back.
You lecture me on leaving out Surfer reviving Thor when comparing their respective fights (As if that is relevant) and then here you are, outright lying? Thor fought Durok more than once and for a lot longer than Surfer. Here's the first fight:
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"And so the battle rages, minute after minute, blow after blow!"It took so long that Loki decided to intervene.
And Loki being Loki not only tried to physically beat Thor but destroyed him mentally by flaunting his marriage with Sif at the end of Thor's second fight with Durok:
I'm not the one who left out a crucial scan showing that Durok was knocked out by Surfer. Besides, Thor having an extended fight and not being able to defeat Durok, and then being killed by Durok at the end doesn't help your case. While Surfer had a shorter fight, was able to knock out Durok, and win via time dump.
a) Thor lost and died as a result of his fight.
b) Surfer knocked Durok out, and won via time dump.
Who sounds like they did better in their fights?
Correction, Surfer momentarily knocked out Durok through a time-jump (For some reason) and bfr'ed him in to the future.
Briefly? Durok's unconscious body was shown for multiple panels while Surfer was flying around the future finding a spot to place Durok's unconscious body.
And why would time traveling knock Durok out? Surfer has brought many of people (including regular humans) back/forward in time and they've never been knocked out or ever suffered ill effects.
If we look at the scans just before Surfer time travels we see that Surfer and Durok are physically wrestling and fighting each other on Surfer's board. The next page shows Surfer triumphantly standing over Durok's unconscious body.
It's actually common for classic Surfer to be physically beat-up and and then turn around and beat the shit out of an enemy during his classica era.
A good example would be Surfer's fight with classic Abomination. Surfer gets tossed around like he did in Durok's fight, but when he gets fed up he beats the living f*ck A-Bomb in their physical struggle:
A great showing of versatility I guess but the entire fight in no way implies that Surfer has any sort of power edge over Thor. As a matter of fact, he looks a lot weaker in direct combat in comparison to Thor if we used Durok as a measuring stick.
Another great example is classic Hulk, who Surfer has defeated a number of times quite easily simply 'cause he has the right power-set.
A SINGLE punch from Durok had Surfer on his ass for like an entire page. Later on, one direct blast temporarily knocked him out. Thor spent a noticeable amount of time trading blows to the face from Durok and fought him on 3 different occasions (Mostly off-panel for the last two) after already fighting a powerful opponent. WHILE mentally distraught.
If you want to see what a knock out looks at, look at this last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok.
The idea that Surfer came off as more powerful when using Durok as a measuring stick is not only laughable, but legitimately retarded. [/B]
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On a separate note, what do you think of the idea that Death Sentry could stomp classic Durok and Millenneus at the same time?
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
😆 sooooo true. Remender was originally going to bring ares back but decided to go with Bob he was probably thinking "Goddamn I forgot how powerful this insane douche was, and on top of that we gave him an amp. quick pretend like it never happened" but seriously after being eaten by the worm he by now should have escaped or reformed with ease. That's the issue with having uber powered trans beings in comics they will inevitably be PISed away. Ill just speculate that since he is all philosophical now that he is thinking up some cliche' reasoning. "All is nothingness therefore I will seize to follow the apocalypse twins" or some crap.
Reported for lowballing Shai-Hulud, Grandfather of the Desert, the Worm who is God.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Why the huge asterisk? Knocking Durok out and dumping him into the future still counts as defeating him.How am I leaving out context? All I did was provide missing scans that you neglected to post.
No, you missed the last scan of the fight that clearly shows that Surfer knocked Durok out. I think that's a pretty damn important scan to leave out.
It shows that Surfer expended some energy healing Thor. Reviving a god isn't cheap on energy expenditure. Especially given that the Durok fight is within the timeline when Surfer was depowered on Earth.
Look at your scans, you're missing the last scene where Surfer actually brings Durok to the future. Hence why I had to post it.
Stop downplaying Surfer beating Durok. Surfer knocked Durok out and then time dumped him. There's no "asterisk" needed. And why wouldn't a time BFR be considered viable? A regular BFR wouldn't work on Sentry since he can easily return with his FTL speed. A time dump is something he can't return from.
Before you or any body else says time travel isn't in character for Surfer, he's actually time traveled [b]several times
, including with numerous allies.And if a space worm can remove Sentry from the battlefield why couldn't Surfer?
No argument from me.
Why wouldn't it be? Expending a lot of energy reviving a god (especially during the era when Surfer was depowered) is costly in a fight. You left out the scan showing Surfer knocking Durok out.
The second fight was pretty short, Thor arrives and gets whacked to the ground. Then as soon as Thor is about to attack, Durok get's teleported away. That doesn't sound very long if Durok was teleported away before Thor could even attack back.
I'm not the one who left out a crucial scan showing that Durok was knocked out by Surfer. Besides, Thor having an extended fight and not being able to defeat Durok, and then being killed by Durok at the end doesn't help your case. While Surfer had a shorter fight, was able to knock out Durok, and win via time dump.
a) Thor lost and died as a result of his fight.
b) Surfer knocked Durok out, and won via time dump.
Who sounds like they did better in their fights?
Briefly? Durok's unconscious body was shown for multiple panels while Surfer was flying around the future finding a spot to place Durok's unconscious body.
And why would time traveling knock Durok out? Surfer has brought many of people (including regular humans) back/forward in time and they've never been knocked out or ever suffered ill effects.
If we look at the scans just before Surfer time travels we see that Surfer and Durok are physically wrestling and fighting each other on Surfer's board. The next page shows Surfer triumphantly standing over Durok's unconscious body.
It's actually common for classic Surfer to be physically beat-up and and then turn around and beat the shit out of an enemy during his classica era.
A good example would be Surfer's fight with classic Abomination. Surfer gets tossed around like he did in Durok's fight, but when he gets fed up he beats the living f*ck A-Bomb in their physical struggle:
I never said Surfer is more powerful than Thor. I've said on dozens of occassions that they're roughly equals. The whole point of posting the Durok fight is to show that just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll defeat Surfer (or even vice versa). Especially when they have different power sets and versatility.
Another great example is classic Hulk, who Surfer has defeated a number of times quite easily simply 'cause he has the right power-set.
Surfer wasn't knocked out. Seriously, just because he gets knocked off his board it doesn't mean he's knocked out, especially when the the very next panel shows him conscious and rebuilding his board.
If you want to see what a knock out looks at, look at this last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok.
Never said Surfer was more powerful. I said just 'cause someone beats Thor doesn't automatically mean they can defeat Surfer. Durok is just an example.
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On a separate note, what do you think of the idea that Death Sentry could stomp classic Durok and Millenneus at the same time? [/B]
None of the guys that you just mentioned, have DS Sentry's power set. Why are you bringing them up? Anyone that can physically own Thor the way that DS Sentry did, should by proxy be able to destroy the Surfer. Bringing the Hulk into this is just ridiculous, because the Surfer uses weakness exploitation against him. You're also cherry picking feats, while leaving out exactly how much Thor has withstood in the past. Thor being nearly killed by someone casually tossing him through space is a ridiculously high feat, In other words he was playing with Thor.
Thor has fought the Surfer several times, and most of their fights end with a stalemate. Sentry mentioned in this thread is on a whole other level.
Originally posted by Stoic
None of the guys that you just mentioned, have DS Sentry's power set. Why are you bringing them up? Anyone that can physically own Thor the way that DS Sentry did, should by proxy be able to destroy the Surfer. Bringing the Hulk into this is just ridiculous, because the Surfer uses weakness exploitation against him. You're also cherry picking feats, while leaving out exactly how much Thor has withstood in the past. Th be nearly killed by someone tossing him through space is a ridiculously high feat, In other words he was playing with Thor.Thor has fought the Surfer several times, and most of their fights end with a stalemate. Sentry mentioned in this thread is on a whole other level.
Surfer got this.
No one knows exactly how powerful that worm was. It was obviously more powerful than anyone mentioned in this thread if it was able to "seemingly" take the Sentry down. besides writers do stupid things all of the time for whatever reasons the powers that be beckon them to do. This does not however lessen the ease in which he dealt with Thor. The Surfer would not be able to replicate the feat. You know it, just like anyone else does.
Originally posted by Stoic
None of the guys that you just mentioned, have DS Sentry's power set. Why are you bringing them up? Anyone that can physically own Thor the way that DS Sentry did, should by proxy be able to destroy the Surfer. Bringing the Hulk into this is just ridiculous, because the Surfer uses weakness exploitation against him. You're also cherry picking feats, while leaving out exactly how much Thor has withstood in the past. Thor being nearly killed by someone casually tossing him through space is a ridiculously high feat, In other words he was playing with Thor.Thor has fought the Surfer several times, and most of their fights end with a stalemate. Sentry mentioned in this thread is on a whole other level.
You obviously didn't read anything I posted. Surfer has most of Sentry's powerset and more, you know that right? My whole point is just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll automatically defeat Surfer. That's the whole point of Durok, Hulk, Millenneus, etc. Sentry's only feat is defeating Thor, and being eaten by a space worm. He barely has any appearances without Void and with the Death Seed.
Also you need to stop making up false BS about how Thor was dying when Sentry blitzed him at super speed. Thor was NEVER "nearly killed." He was merely disoriented from the speed.
How do you confuse near-death with disorientation? Such a monumental mistake. I hope people weren't gullible enough to believe your blatant lie.
This is third time I caught you lying. You were wrong about Blue Marvel one-shotting Sentry; and you were wrong about the Avengers going all out against Blue Marvel.
I hope you're not lying intentionally, and just really ignorant. The latter is forgivable, the former is just downright dishonest.
Originally posted by Stoic
No one knows exactly how powerful that worm was. It was obviously more powerful than anyone mentioned in this thread if it was able to "seemingly" take the Sentry down. besides writers do stupid things all of the time for whatever reasons the powers that be beckon them to do. This does not however lessen the ease in which he dealt with Thor. The Surfer would not be able to replicate the feat. You know it, just like anyone else does.
The writer already forgot about that joke. People are giving this fly by night loser majority wins over an established high herald. It's annoying.
If anything, Thor was written down to make DSentry seem more formidable. The mask came off when the worm made short work of him.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer got taken out by a city busting Meteor. Imagine what a punch from Sentry would do...The same one he used on Thor that shook the planet.
Surfer once knocked out Hulk for a long while with one blast. No weakness exploitation. Just pure cosmic blast.
Imagine what that would do to Sentry...amirite?
Originally posted by One-Punch
Surfer once knocked out Hulk for a long while with one blast. No weakness exploitation. Just pure cosmic blast.Imagine what that would do to Sentry...amirite?
Not mad at Surfer taking out 'Classic Hulk' with a blast. What I do know is that it won't happen anymore though. Not with Current Hulk. Nice try though. This attempt at trying to get back at me for getting back at Zop for making a lame attempt failed.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer got taken out by a city busting Meteor. Imagine what a punch from Sentry would do...The same one he used on Thor that shook the planet.
Hulk got owned by Machine Man. Imagine what Jocasta would do to him?
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Originally posted by zopzop
Hulk got choked out by an anaconda. Imagine what a punch from a gorilla would do to him?Hulk got owned by Machine Man. Imagine what Jocasta would do to him?
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Aaaahhhh...so you are using 15 to 20 plus yrs showings? What I told you just recently happened with Surfer. Sentry stomps with his planetary strength.