Originally posted by carver9
Aaaahhhh...so you are using 15 to 20 plus yrs showings? What I told you just recently happened with Surfer. Sentry stomps with his planetary strength.
Surfer transmutes himself into that space worm then proceeds to rip DSentry a new one.
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Originally posted by One-Punch
Also you need to stop making up [b]false BS about how Thor was dying when Sentry blitzed him at super speed. Thor was NEVER "nearly killed." He was merely disoriented from the speed.How do you confuse near-death with disorientation? [/B]
It could of have been from the Sentry easing Thors mind by assuring him he wouldn't kill him. Seems apparent to me that not only did that play out as a description to the reading public that Dsentry could have killed Thor at his leisure, but it also was used to explain to Thor that he wasn't in danger of dying although he probably thought he was going to.
Originally posted by tkitna
So basically the people that are debating in Surfers defense feel that he could casually take out Thor like Dsentry did? Do I have this correct?
That seems to be what I'm understanding as well. So why not all of us just use the worm to downplay Sentry even though we have no idea as to how powerful it was. Who said that the worm wasn't as powerful, or more powerful than a High Trans character, or Sky Father? Is it because of what it looks like? Most likely.
It's obvious that the worm creature was a powerful creature. Or, it wasn't and Sentry broke free of it with ease. We don't know what happened because we have yet to see Sentry, it certainly couldn't have killed him, from what he has survived. Zop and those that are bringing up the worm incident should stop using it as some form of argument , because it is an unknown variable.
What we do know for sure, is that Sentry was able to casually, (or should I say with ease?) deal with Thor at OPTIMAL levels, which is something that the Surfer has never done, and never will do.
Originally posted by One-Punch
You obviously didn't read anything I posted. Surfer has most of Sentry's powerset and more, you know that right? My whole point is just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll automatically defeat Surfer. That's the whole point of Durok, Hulk, Millenneus, etc. Sentry's only feat is defeating Thor, and being eaten by a space worm. He barely has any appearances without Void and with the Death Seed.Also you need to stop making up [b]false BS
about how Thor was dying when Sentry blitzed him at super speed. Thor was NEVER "nearly killed." He was merely disoriented from the speed.How do you confuse near-death with disorientation? Such a monumental mistake. I hope people weren't gullible enough to believe your blatant lie.
This is third time I caught you lying. You were wrong about Blue Marvel one-shotting Sentry; and you were wrong about the Avengers going all out against Blue Marvel.
I hope you're not lying intentionally, and just really ignorant. The latter is forgivable, the former is just downright dishonest. [/B]
Can you post the rest of the scene? I mean when he tosses Thor. Do you have that page?
Originally posted by zopzop
Context. The writer made it clear what was going on with Surfer in that issue.Compare that to the DSentry/Worm fiasco.
You have no idea as to how powerful the worm was though. This is the prime reason that you should stop bringing it up, because if it can do that to Sentry, then it could do it to any well known top tier. He has feats that show that he was a top tier pre death, and that was at a weaker level iirc. Just stop bringing it up, because instead of getting the results that you are aiming for, it's unintentionally placing egg on your face. You simply have no idea as to how powerful the creature was. But by all means continue to ignore that basic fact.
Originally posted by Stoic
You have no idea as to how powerful the worm was though. This is the prime reason that you should stop bringing it up, because if it can do that to Sentry, then it could do it to any well known top tier. He has feats that show that he was a top tier pre death, and that was at a weaker level iirc. Just stop bringing it up, because instead of getting the results that you are aiming for, it's unintentionally placing egg on your face. You simply have no idea as to how powerful the creature was. But by all means continue to ignore that basic fact.
That featless/fightless wonder was owned by a damn worm! Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.
So what has DSentry done? Roughed Thor up a bit then got his @$$ handed to him by a worm. The End. Even the fuggin' writer forgot about him. 😆
Originally posted by zopzop
WTH are you talking about?That featless/fightless wonder was owned by a damn worm! Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.
So what has DSentry done? Roughed Thor up a bit then got his @$$ handed to him by a worm. The End. Even the fuggin' writer forgot about him. 😆
That's your argument? Dismissing the ease at how Sentry dealt with Thor? Seriously? This is something that the Silver Surfer has never done, and never will do.
Do you know how powerful the Worm was? Yes or No? If your answer is no proceed to section 3.
Section 2 states that until you have some concrete proof as to how powerful the worm was, you should stop bringing it up, otherwise your claim will be dismissed. Your problem is that you're too hung up on what the creature looked like, the writer could have used the worm to be as powerful as Galactus, this is not real stuff Zop, it's fiction. We can do this all day Zop. The hulk was choked out be a featless snake. The Surfer was taken down by a Mexican roofing crew, Thanos was thrown in jail, Darkseid was owned by a flight of stairs.... the list goes on, and on.
You're also beginning to remind me of someone. The worm is inconsequential, what remains is how easily Thor was dealt with. I'm starting to wonder if you get that yet?
Originally posted by zopzop
WTH are you talking about?That featless/fightless wonder was owned by a damn worm! Before you go on about how he was "handling" Thor, DSentry didn't do any lasting damage to him.
So what has DSentry done? Roughed Thor up a bit then got his @$$ handed to him by a worm. The End. Even the fuggin' writer forgot about him. 😆
I think we are taking the worm thing too seriously. That was obviously PIS and if anything it made deathtry look even more powerful. That's like Remender saying that Deathtry is so strong that no one can defeat him so it takes another entity to momentarily occupy him. Getting eaten by that giant worm isn't even embarrassing at all. Its not like he got physically dominated in an encounter or got outclassed by an individual, he was simply swallowed. Also you say that Deathtry didn't do any long lasting damage to Thor? You do realize that he easily could have, but chose not to? While he was traveling at light speed while choking thor he made it apparent that he wasn't going to hurt him. He could have torn Thor limb from limb. His speed alone disoriented thor and he koed him twice without effort. And while thor was trying to attack deathry he was simply smiling at him and giving a speech on how happy he was that he was cured of his agoraphobia and mental illness. So don't think that he couldn't end Thor if he wanted to lol.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Why the huge asterisk? Knocking Durok out and dumping him into the future still counts as defeating him.How am I leaving out context? All I did was provide missing scans that you neglected to post.
No, you missed the last scan of the fight that clearly shows that Surfer knocked Durok out. I think that's a pretty damn important scan to leave out.
It shows that Surfer expended some energy healing Thor. Reviving a god isn't cheap on energy expenditure. Especially given that the Durok fight is within the timeline when Surfer was depowered on Earth.
Look at your scans, you're missing the last scene where Surfer actually brings Durok to the future. Hence why I had to post it.
Stop downplaying Surfer beating Durok. Surfer knocked Durok out and then time dumped him. There's no "asterisk" needed. And why wouldn't a time BFR be considered viable? A regular BFR wouldn't work on Sentry since he can easily return with his FTL speed. A time dump is something he can't return from.
Before you or any body else says time travel isn't in character for Surfer, he's actually time traveled [b]several times
, including with numerous allies.And if a space worm can remove Sentry from the battlefield why couldn't Surfer?
No argument from me.
Why wouldn't it be? Expending a lot of energy reviving a god (especially during the era when Surfer was depowered) is costly in a fight. You left out the scan showing Surfer knocking Durok out.
The second fight was pretty short, Thor arrives and gets whacked to the ground. Then as soon as Thor is about to attack, Durok get's teleported away. That doesn't sound very long if Durok was teleported away before Thor could even attack back.
I'm not the one who left out a crucial scan showing that Durok was knocked out by Surfer. Besides, Thor having an extended fight and not being able to defeat Durok, and then being killed by Durok at the end doesn't help your case. While Surfer had a shorter fight, was able to knock out Durok, and win via time dump.
a) Thor lost and died as a result of his fight.
b) Surfer knocked Durok out, and won via time dump.
Who sounds like they did better in their fights?
Briefly? Durok's unconscious body was shown for multiple panels while Surfer was flying around the future finding a spot to place Durok's unconscious body.
And why would time traveling knock Durok out? Surfer has brought many of people (including regular humans) back/forward in time and they've never been knocked out or ever suffered ill effects.
If we look at the scans just before Surfer time travels we see that Surfer and Durok are physically wrestling and fighting each other on Surfer's board. The next page shows Surfer triumphantly standing over Durok's unconscious body.
It's actually common for classic Surfer to be physically beat-up and and then turn around and beat the shit out of an enemy during his classica era.
A good example would be Surfer's fight with classic Abomination. Surfer gets tossed around like he did in Durok's fight, but when he gets fed up he beats the living f*ck A-Bomb in their physical struggle:
I never said Surfer is more powerful than Thor. I've said on dozens of occassions that they're roughly equals. The whole point of posting the Durok fight is to show that just because someone defeats Thor doesn't mean they'll defeat Surfer (or even vice versa). Especially when they have different power sets and versatility.
Another great example is classic Hulk, who Surfer has defeated a number of times quite easily simply 'cause he has the right power-set.
Surfer wasn't knocked out. Seriously, just because he gets knocked off his board it doesn't mean he's knocked out, especially when the the very next panel shows him conscious and rebuilding his board.
If you want to see what a knock out looks at, look at this last scan of Surfer's fight with Durok.
Never said Surfer was more powerful. I said just 'cause someone beats Thor doesn't automatically mean they can defeat Surfer. Durok is just an example.
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On a separate note, what do you think of the idea that Death Sentry could stomp classic Durok and Millenneus at the same time? [/B]
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Originally posted by dial J for Josh
I think we are taking the worm thing too seriously. That was obviously PIS and if anything it made deathtry look even more powerful. That's like Remender saying that Deathtry is so strong that no one can defeat him so it takes another entity to momentarily occupy him. Getting eaten by that giant worm isn't even embarrassing at all. Its not like he got physically dominated in an encounter or got outclassed by an individual, he was simply swallowed. Also you say that Deathtry didn't do any long lasting damage to Thor? You do realize that he easily could have, but chose not to? While he was traveling at light speed while choking thor he made it apparent that he wasn't going to hurt him. He could have torn Thor limb from limb. His speed alone disoriented thor and he koed him twice without effort. And while thor was trying to attack deathry he was simply smiling at him and giving a speech on how happy he was that he was cured of his agoraphobia and mental illness. So don't think that he couldn't end Thor if he wanted to lol.
I didn't want to mention this before because it looks like Stoic and Tkitna are becoming hysterical in their defense of Sentry and I didn't want to push them over the edge. I'm not a monster. 😇
That worm that took out DSentry must be low skyfather at least! 🙄
It was the writers way of removing Sentry from the story so the Wasp and Thor could continue to live. Is Sentry dead? Who knows. Could be. If he is, that worm that you keep making snide remarks about, must be one badass vermes.
Its not us that's getting upset about this battle, its you being delusional thinking that Surfer can take a character that treats Thor like a ragdoll. You never did answer the question if you thought Surfer could take Thor out that easily. I think we all know the answer to that.
Originally posted by zopzop
If anything, Thor was written down to make DSentry seem more formidable.