Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir

Originally posted by Galan007
facepalm @ the low-balling.

If one force-wave and a meager two-page-long battle with a few Magnaguards were enough to significantly fatigue Maul, his stamina would be complete shit. Thanks to his battle with Palpatine in "The Lawless", however, we know that Maul's stamina is sufficient to engage in a MUCH more intense/rigorous battle, against a MUCH more powerful opponent, and for a MUCH greater duration of time than what we saw in this issue, without showing ANY signs of fatigue. Am I to believe this team of Magnaguards taxed him more than Palpatine did? Please. srsly

The answer here is simple: Grievous was able to give Maul a decent fight, because Grievous is just THAT good. Accept it and move on. 👆

It's hardly lowballing when Grievous himself told the magnaguards to go soften Maul up. Why did he do that if it was going to have no noticeable effect? It's not my theory, it was Grievous's, because Grievous himself knows he's no match for Maul in a fair one on one, as does Maul who said it.

And jeez what's with the "he's just that bad ass"? It was 1 Saber lock, then 1 kick (during which Grievous already seems disarmed of 1 Saber). We all know very well 1 Force wave and Grievous would be done. Just like Kenobi has done several times, and just like Eeth Koth did.

Filoni confirmed over a year ago that Grievous isn't in the same league as a Jedi/Sith of Ventres's caliber. So he certainly isn't in Maul's league. It happens with Kenobi as well. He meets Grievous in all sorts of circumstances, and gets kicked around now and then, but as soon as he gets the chance to use the Force Grievous is done.
And as Filoni also confirmed, as soon as Kenobi got Grievous down for a fair one on one in ROTS, we saw what happened there.

But I'll give this to Grievous, he usually is a threat to most Jedi in Sabers, but as soon as the Force comes into play the higher level ones take him out without much difficulty. In fact in a fair one on one the higher level ones should take a vast majority against him in pure Sabers too.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's hardly lowballing when Grievous himself told the magnaguards to go soften Maul up. Why did he do that if it was going to have no noticeable effect? It's not my theory, it was Grievous's, because Grievous himself knows he's no match for Maul in a fair one on one, as does Maul who said it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And jeez what's with the "he's just that bad ass"? It was 1 Saber lock, then 1 kick (during which Grievous already seems disarmed of 1 Saber). We all know very well 1 Force wave and Grievous would be done. Just like Kenobi has done several times, and just like Eeth Koth did.

Imo, the fact that Maul did not hand GG his ass, or even gain a clear advantage during their confrontation, is impressive on the General's part, given that Maul is a peak-tier swordsman. 👆

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Filoni confirmed over a year ago that Grievous isn't in the same league as a Jedi/Sith of Ventres's caliber.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But I'll give this to Grievous, he usually is a threat to most Jedi in Sabers, but as soon as the Force comes into play the higher level ones take him out without much difficulty.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's hardly lowballing when Grievous himself told the magnaguards to go soften Maul up. Why did he do that if it was going to have no noticeable effect? It's not my theory, it was Grievous's, because Grievous himself knows he's no match for Maul in a fair one on one, as does Maul who said it.

And jeez what's with the "he's just that bad ass"? It was 1 Saber lock, then 1 kick (during which Grievous already seems disarmed of 1 Saber). We all know very well 1 Force wave and Grievous would be done. Just like Kenobi has done several times, and just like Eeth Koth did.

Filoni confirmed over a year ago that Grievous isn't in the same league as a Jedi/Sith of Ventres's caliber. So he certainly isn't in Maul's league. It happens with Kenobi as well. He meets Grievous in all sorts of circumstances, and gets kicked around now and then, but as soon as he gets the chance to use the Force Grievous is done.
And as Filoni also confirmed, as soon as Kenobi got Grievous down for a fair one on one in ROTS, we saw what happened there.

But I'll give this to Grievous, he usually is a threat to most Jedi in Sabers, but as soon as the Force comes into play the higher level ones take him out without much difficulty. In fact in a fair one on one the higher level ones should take a vast majority against him in pure Sabers too.

While I agree with most of what you are saying here, Grievous was not disarmed, and Ventress is not in a completely different league than he is.

Lord Stark
Grievous was not disarmed

Originally posted by Eminence
It's tough to tell because the perspective puts his foot in the way of his hand, but his fingers aren't actually wrapped around the hilt of the green lightsaber in that panel.

If they wanted to show him disarmed they would have made it clear, i.e not position the saber in the same place it would have been if he weren't disarmed.

Artist error, I'd say.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Artist error, I'd say.

Lord Stark
If they wanted to show him disarmed they would have made it clear, i.e not position the saber in the same place it would have been if he weren't disarmed.

I wouldn't necessarily argue that it's conclusive, but you people saying "artist error" instead of "well, maybe it's..." are being weird.

Its not out of his hand, it just drawn really weird. Grievous still has it, Maul did nothing that would make him loose hold of it, (unless Grievous kicked him so hard that he dropped his own lightsaber)

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Its not out of his hand, it just drawn really weird.

He's holding two lightsabers the next time we see him though, so a) he picked it up, b) he pulled out another, or c) it was a planned move and he caught it.

Or what really happened. He kicked Maul so hard that he dropped his own lightsaber

haermm

doubtful, dear broheim.

That looks like very blatant artist-error to me... You can't even make out where his left hand is, ffs.

shrug

Looks perfectly clear to me. His leg and foot are obviously in the way, but I see his shoulder and several of his fingers, none of which are wrapped around the hilt of his lightsaber.

That looks like he's using his foot to knock the saber from his hand.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Even that's debatable as they are written by authors who will just mix other EU stuff into them.

👆

If it doesn't "align" with the movies it's not canon.

Originally posted by red8
Anybody notice that part of the Plagueis novel has now been retconned?

Apparently Talzin brought Maul to Sidious now instead of Maul's mother trying to save Maul from Talzin.

Originally posted by Vensai
Was that clearly stated? All Sidious said was that Talzin did not appreciate his obtaining of Maul. She was technically the indirect source even in the Plagueis novel.

Doesn't matter. TCW and the movies do not take EU novels and comics as canon. They do however sometimes borrow plots, characters and elements from there.

Originally posted by Vensai
Was that clearly stated? All Sidious said was that Talzin did not appreciate his obtaining of Maul. She was technically the indirect source even in the Plagueis novel.

From Plagueis:

She opened the soft shoulder bag to reveal a humanoid infant of less than a standard year in age.

...

Mother: "You misunderstand, good sir. My own child, this one is."

...

Mother: "Neither. I seek only to save his life."

...

Sidious: "Who poses the threat?"

Mother: "Talzin is her name."

From Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir:

So Sidious meets Maul as a child rather than as an infant.

Doesn't matter. TCW and the movies do not take EU novels and comics as canon. They do however sometimes borrow plots, characters and elements from there.

If it doesn't matter to you, then why bother replying?
To the best of my knowledge, this is the first Disney retcon for Star Wars (Star Wars Rebels hasn't come out yet, so that doesn't count). So to me, it's interesting.

Soooo many pointless retcons!!!!!!

I feel like they are changing shit just to change shit, it's so stupid.

Like why the hell did they change Korriban to Morraband. What was the point of that?