Originally posted by 9jaboy
What the heck is going on here?
Who resurrected an invincible Surfer?Where was his intangibility when Doom blasted him?
Said blast even hurt him haha.
Superman stomps Surfer.
Superman gets vaporized like Doom did except the Surfer won't be so kind as to resurrect him in a different place.
Originally posted by tkitna
Superman gets vaporized like Doom did except the Surfer won't be so kind as to resurrect him in a different place.
So surfer rearranged Dooms molecules. Guess what ?
The world engine was rearranging Earth and Superman overpowered it while weakened .
We saw surfer hurt by Doom's electricity, fact. Supes will beat the shit out him.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
It's a dumb strategy comparing Doom with Superman. Actually you I can't believe you said that!
Superman that withstood the world engine while weakened and destroyed it?So surfer rearranged Dooms molecules. Guess what ?
The world engine was rearranging Earth and Superman overpowered it while weakened .We saw surfer hurt by Doom's electricity, fact. Supes will beat the shit out him.
Lol. So your example is comparing a concussive blast to matter manipulation. Yeah, good luck with that one.
Superman got KO'd by a nuke while the Surfer casually flew out of a planet exploding. I don't see Superman being much of a problem here.
With all that being said, who compared Doom to Superman? Keep up man.
A. The planet was shown cracking apart, with chunks flying off, but it didn't fully explode until after the Surfer had already left.
B. The Surfer can phase through barriers and may have been in a phased state during that event.
1. Based on feats, the Surfer would be a statue to Superman. Superman moved faster than anything the Surfer has ever demonstrably responded to.
2. Superman would one-shot the Surfer, as his power output exceeds anything the Surfer has tangibly endured without being knocked out.
Conclusion:
Superman ends the fight the moment it begins. The notion that the Surfer could manipulate Superman's matter is a red herring; he won't even get the chance to attempt it.
FGS Surfer survived a blast larger than the whole damn Planet. Superman got melted by a Nuke. Add that to Phasing and durability here isn't really a comparison.
Then add output damage and Surfer created said blast and was drilling holes through the Planet.
Lastly Superman has no known matter manipulation resistance.
The only thing Supers has is Flash type speed, except it's not even in character for him to blitz. Only to avoid hits (and in JL only), but even if he keeps avoiding Surfer's blast then Surfer can do an Omnidirectional blast. Add that to Surfer himself flying at ridiculous speeds himself.
So yeah, everything points to a Surfer win.
Originally posted by h1a8
Conclusion:
Superman ends the fight the moment it begins.
Give me even one example of him doing that with a Planet busting punch (which is what he'll need here).
I'll wait. But I won't hold my breath.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
FGS Surfer survived a blast larger than the whole damn Planet. Superman got melted by a Nuke. Add that to Phasing and durability here isn't really a comparison.Then add output damage and Surfer created said blast and was drilling holes through the Planet.
Lastly Superman has no known matter manipulation resistance.
The only thing Supers has is Flash type speed, except it's not even in character for him to blitz. Only to avoid hits (and in JL only), but even if he keeps avoiding Surfer's blast then Surfer can do an Omnidirectional blast. Add that to Surfer himself flying at ridiculous speeds himself.
So yeah, everything points to a Surfer win.
Give me even one example of him doing that with a Planet busting punch (which is what he'll need here).
I'll wait. But I won't hold my breath.
Surfer experienced less than 1% of the cloud explosion, which dispersed in all directions - think of Flux. The explosion's power was underwhelming, as it had zero effect on Earth - not even displacing water. Yet Surfer was knocked out by it. In my opinion, that's a low showing - being incapacitated by a force that didn't even disturb the environment. You still have to prove the explosion's power; sheer size alone doesn't equate to destructive force.
It's ironic how you keep referencing the nuke incident while ignoring the World Engine feat. At the same time, you want us to dismiss Surfer being harmed by electricity or needing to dodge missiles, just to hype up the cloud feat.
Surfer didn't create the Cloud. Causing a chain reaction isn't the same as generating the final result. It's like tipping a small domino that eventually knocks over one weighing tons.
I already rebutted the drilling feat. Stop dodging and address that counterargument. Ignoring direct responses is trolling.
A character shown to manipulate paper doesn't automatically scale to manipulating adamantium - or even steel. Surfer hasn't been shown to matter manipulate anything significantly durable, so his matter manipulation is irrelevant. Superman would knock him out before Surfer could even act or think.
Superman wouldn't just blitz him - he would perceive Surfer as a statue. The reaction speed gap is that vast.
Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. So your example is comparing a concussive blast to matter manipulation. Yeah, good luck with that one.
Originally posted by tkitnaSuperman got KO'd by a nuke while the Surfer casually flew out of a planet exploding. I don't see Superman being much of a problem here.
Originally posted by tkitnaYou said "Superman gets vaporized like Doom"With all that being said, who compared Doom to Superman? Keep up man.
Now the real issue here is that surfer is so weak that he was hurt by Doom's electricity. Man Superman will destroy him.
And Surfer is slower and I haven't seen anything from him that suggest he could knock supes out aside Suicide 馃槅