Blue Marvel vs Citizen Steel

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really.

BM has done the same though.

Beat the phukk out of King Hyperion who has basically gone Gorr in countless earths. Gone Gorr as in butchered super heroes instead of gods.

Able to go toe toe with Anti-Man who was man-handling a very strong Avengers team.

Beat Pagan who has twice man-handled an Avengers team in the past.

And lastly pulverized Shuma's physical form albeit not yet fully powered, but impressive nonetheless as explained by Blade.

1. So fight one obviously goes to BM.
2. Fight two edge to BM. He's been far more consistent in physicality from his appearances. It's obvious Marvel has him in the cream of the crop tier when it comes to that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nice. Forgot about that herald Gog one.

BM has done the same though.

Beat the phukk out of King Hyperion who has basically gone Gorr in many earths. Gone Gorr as in butchered super heroes instead of gods.

Able to go toe toe with Anti-Man who was man-handling a very strong Avengers team.

Beat Pagan who has twice man-handled an Avengers team in the past.

And lastly pulverized Shuma's physical form albeit not yet fully powered, but impressive nonetheless as explained by Blade.

1. So fight one obviously goes to BM.
2. Fight two edge to BM. He's been far more consistent in physicality from his appearances. It's obvious Marvel has him in the cream of the crop tier when it comes to that.

Anti-man beat the phuck out of him, broke his arm and left him for dead on the moon. He wasn't remotely on his level physically.

Now, that's interesting. When did he fight Pagan?

Third World Gog was more powerful than Shuma IMO. Even Thunderbolt couldn't do anything to him.

*And lo, Cort appears out of nowhere*

In a slugfest, Steel would win IMO. Marvel is supposed to be on the same level as Thor. Steel is above that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
King Hyperion broke his hand on Huggernaut's helmet and got his neck snapped by Namora. I don't know why that's touted to be so impressive. Seeing he only killed random alt reality fodder characters.

Anti-man beat the phuck out of him, broke his arm and left him for dead on the moon. He wasn't remotely on his level physically.

Now, that's interesting. When did he fight Pagan?

Third World Gog was more powerful than Shuma IMO. Even Thunderbolt couldn't do anything to him.

*And lo, Cort appears out of nowhere*

In a slugfest, Steel would win IMO. Marvel is supposed to be on the same level as Thor. Steel is above that level.

And what happened after Namora tried that? Absolutely nothing. He then burnt her to a crisp. It's just like you to leave out very important detail... Lol.

He fought Pagan off-panel (only one panel was shown).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol. You're funny. When he stopped holding back, he physically forced Anti-Man out of the planet then atomized him.

And what happened after Namora tried that? Absolutely nothing. He then burnt her to a crisp. It's just like you to leave out very important detail... Lol.

He fought Pagan off-panel (only one panel was shown).

The point is, Hyperion wasn't that strong. You think she could do that to someone like Thor? Heck, she fought 616 Namor and it was a stalemate.

So we don't know how it went down? Via energy, Monica knocked pagan out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did? I thought he used his powers over anti matter to disperse him.

The point is, Hyperion wasn't that strong. You think she could do that to someone like Thor? Heck, she fought 616 Namor and it was a stalemate.

So we don't know how it went down? Via energy, Monica knocked pagan out.

Blue Marvel used a small piece of metal, and damaged the Moon with it. Yet you want to bring up low showings? I didn't even know that he has low showings, and yet you found a way to turn something into one. Thor is not Adam, why bring him into this? Just like Magog is not Adam. King Hyperion Broke Cain's kneecap when they tussled, and that was when Cain was tossing around monsters the size of a Cat 5 Pacific Rim monster. Hardly a poor showing for King Hype. Pagan was defeated by Blue Marvel, and he was pushing Thor back, and Thor was backed by a pretty impressive Avengers team like Celey pointed out. Monica is very powerful.

That wasn't the same Hyperion that fought Blue Marvel. Hell...was it even King Hyperion that fought Juggernaut? That Hyperion after facing Juggernaut was locked away forever basically. Blue Marvel fought the real King Hype and did good.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way...what wins does CS have against anyone? Has he defeated (key word, defeat) anyone worth mentioning?

He busted up True Gog's legs.

As KC Supes and the JSA were helpless.

Originally posted by cdtm
He busted up True Gog's legs.

As KC Supes and the JSA were helpless.

Not enough. Beta Ray Bill ripped a hole through Galactus armor and defeated a being who's presence was reshaping the Universe. That doesn't mean he is pulling a high majority against...He'l.

Originally posted by carver9
Not enough. Beta Ray Bill ripped a hole through Galactus armor and defeated a being who's presence was reshaping the Universe. That doesn't mean he is pulling a high majority against...He'l.

BRB will fudge H'el up. No contest.

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't the same Hyperion that fought Blue Marvel. Hell...was it even King Hyperion that fought Juggernaut? That Hyperion after facing Juggernaut was locked away forever basically. Blue Marvel fought the real King Hype and did good.

The Hyperion that Blue Marvel fought was the same Hyperion Juggernaut fought. He was recruited by the Thunderbolts as he was locked away in prison and joined the team

Originally posted by -K-M-
The Hyperion that Blue Marvel fought was the same Hyperion Juggernaut fought. He was recruited by the Thunderbolts as he was locked away in prison and joined the team

Thanks. Didn't know that.

Originally posted by carver9
Not enough. Beta Ray Bill ripped a hole through Galactus armor and defeated a being who's presence was reshaping the Universe. That doesn't mean he is pulling a high majority against...He'l.

In the same issue Gog tanked this:

The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

@Galan...

Never said that it wasn't impressive, it just isn't enough.

I miss Starman :-(

Originally posted by Galan007
CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:

In the same issue Gog tanked this:

The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

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Kingdom Come Superman who was above Superman (Pre 52) couldn't do that. I think that really is enough unless people think Marvel could take Superman (pre 52) too?

Adam from Namor's comments appears to be on the level of Thor and Hulk in strength, but still in Namor's level

Originally posted by Galan007
CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:

In the same issue Gog tanked this:

The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

Is there any reason to believe that Adam would be unable to topple Gog?

They looked to be subduing Gog in the second scan, so unless there is a scene with someone else being unable to affect Gog with punches, I'm not really seeing much.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Kingdom Come Superman who was above Superman (Pre 52) couldn't do that. I think that really is enough unless people think Marvel could take Superman (pre 52) too?

Adam from Namor's comments appears to be on the level of Thor and Hulk in strength, but still in Namor's level

This is from Namor's perspective. there is no proof to believe what he says, or not to believe it. All we have is a guy capable of damaging the Moon with a small piece of metal. This seems to place him well above Namor in terms of level unless you would place the Sentry on Namor's level as well? Is this what you meant by level? So is CS greater than Superman? If so what would you base this opinion off of?

With a small piece of metal he nearly cracked the moon in half while holding back.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is from Namor's perspective. there is no proof to believe what he says, or not to believe it. All we have is a guy capable of damaging the Moon with a small piece of metal. This seems to place him well above Namor in terms of level.less you would place the Sentry ion Namor's level as well? Is this what you meant by level? So is CS greater than Superman? If so what would you base this opinion off of?

Namor perspective which Marvel agreed and said it was a lucky shot.

Actually Namor has gotten the better/stalemated Sentry before (so has Hercules) if you wish to go that route and no not a joke.

Originally posted by Stoic
Is there any reason to believe that Adam would be unable to topple Gog?

They looked to be subduing Gog in the second scan, so unless there is a scene with someone else being unable to affect Gog with punches, I'm not really seeing much.

Don't try to downplay that feat. It's actually quite amazing.