Blue Marvel vs Citizen Steel

Originally posted by Stoic
Wow, and just when I thought that this couldn't become more of a pompous display self serving rubbish. You have quite the ego on you. My advise to you is to stop treating people as if you were above them. Place your feet firmly on the ground, and walk it off. The self imposed superior attitude that is.. Walk that off, it will do you some good.

Lie to yourself, but don't expect others to believe it. Your entire scam here is to attempt to bring Adam down to Namor's level, because there is no way in your mind that Namor would stand a chance against CS. This is where you believed that no one could see through the BS. Guess what?

I'm not above anyone, nor have I said that. When you make comments like that people are going to laugh. You said I was wrong, you said Namor was class 75 in the comics. Don't make claims like that or it's going to be thrown back in your face. Simple as that

Right right right...keep claiming Namor is class 75 then. 👆 What BS? How many times do I have to go over this? The moon reference you made was incorrect...never did it with a piece of metal as YOU claimed. You also will take one claim that suits your argument and ignore the other that doesn't even though both are from the same story. In that story the writer had Thor, Hulk, Marvel and Namor as peers. That's picking and choosing. That's what I'm drawing attention too. Simple as that.

True class 100's do things like shatter planets, or hold them together while they threaten to detonate. They do things like push back the World Engine, and take on teams comprised of guys on the same level as Namor while at their best. All of the scans that you decide to post up will not show once that Namor is capable of doing any of that. There has been several citations of the Hulk being superior in strength to Namor. This is also something that shouldn't be ignored.

Namor even admits that he isn't as strong as Hercules, and Hercules isn't as strong as the Hulk. this was mentioned just before the Hulk went into the Dark Dimension, and blew peoples minds.

Originally posted by Stoic
True class 100's do things like shatter planets, or hold them together while they threaten to detonate. They do things like push back the World Engine, and take on teams comprised of guys on the same level as Namor while at their best. All of the scans that you decide to post up will not show once that Namor is capable of doing any of that. here has been several citations of the Hulk being superior in strength than Namor. This is also something that shouldn't be ignored.

Namor even admits that he isn't as strong as Hercules, and Hercules isn't as strong as the Hulk. this was mentioned just before the Hulk went into the Dark Dimension, and blew peoples minds.

Riiiiiight, earth bound heroes are known to shatter planets. You do realize Savage Hulk never did any of that until recently and he was always a class 100 character 😬

Sure did, but even recently he stalemated Herc in his own book. He's even shown to be superior to Woman Man who is a legit class 100. You don't just look at one showing, you look at all their showings. Picking and choosing again as I said.

Using your logic again...Hercules is class 100, but when did he destroy a planet? Wonder Woman is class 100 when did she destroy a planet or hold one together? etc. etc. FYI Namor has even wrestled Thor's hammer from him.

You know what let's just end it at that. Feel free to have the last word, but this has gotten completely off-topic.

Well they may be Class 100's but they aren't in the Hulk's class of elite top tiers. Thor, Hyperion, Superman, Doomsday, Blue Marvel, Sentry, and many others are, but Namor is not, and that is what I am saying here. I said that the Hulk has matured since his earlier days, which was written. now i understand that Namor has risen up a taken a peak in the clouds, but he will never be on this level consistently. Sasquatch has lifted more than 100 tons as well, but he isn't in this class either. That's what I'm saying. how big is Asteroid M anyways? is it larger than a state? how many times has Namor done this? I recall him wrestling with far less. However like I said several posts ago, this has nothing to do with the thread, and more to do with a comparison of Namor and Adam. Why was he even brought up in this thread? if you believe that Namor is in the same strength class as thor, and the Hulk, more power to you. i fully disagree.

Originally posted by Stoic
Then this is what you should have said to begin with. Instead.... actually drop the instead, and let's move forward.

KC Superman you say is the mainstream Superman. Who is Kal? you know the younger one? If CS can generate far more power in a punch without his restraints, then you are probably correct. but one huge feat does not cancel out the several that Adam has on his report card. Who else has he taken down? Has anyone ever given him trouble? This is in my opinion would give a clearer picture than one amazing showing. Most characters as i am sure you will agree have amazing showings. Is there anything else is what i am asking.

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

Galan I thought you did a respect thread for Citizen Steel? Can't seem to find it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

Not to mention, "Herald of The Source" Infinity Man.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Galan I thought you did a respect thread for Citizen Steel? Can't seem to find it.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention, "Herald of The Source" Infinity Man.

I thought that DOTNG Infinity man retaining his high level was murky in terms of continuity? Not to mention, that Adam may have been able to put Magog down as well. If not I guess CS is greater than Superman, and any other Herald ever written because KC Superman was out-shined. Not sure I'm buying it based on the few showings he has. He needs consistency to be placed in that light. But that's how I see it.

Unfortunately that's it, he hasn't appeared in the new DC52 nor have I heard plans of him to.

The new Steel is Hank Heywood Jr. and closer to the original Steel (Commander Steel).

Why is "you could've broken that moon in half" is touted as something impressive? Even Supergirl has actually destroyed a moon.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/moonbust3.jpg

Superman has actually split a moon in half.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/Superman-Lex2000a.jpg

KC Superman is above both.

supergirl > superman

(super(gender) was said too many times in this thread as it is)

Shots fired

Originally posted by psycho gundam
supergirl > superman

(super(gender) was said too many times in this thread as it is)

uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

Didn't Citizen Steel also throw down with one of the Gods of Parador in JSA All-Stars?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)

I could see Alan was in his KC armour - was he Sentinel at the time?

And go Starman, saving puppies!

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did? I thought he used his powers over anti matter to disperse him.

The point is, Hyperion wasn't that strong. You think she could do that to someone like Thor? Heck, she fought 616 Namor and it was a stalemate.

So we don't know how it went down? Via energy, Monica knocked pagan out.

Come on man this is comics. Any top tier would love to have King Hyperion's resume. Lets not lowball him too much.

Monica can be beastly. I'm not surprised.

Originally posted by Galan007
CS downed Gog with a scant two hits:

In the same issue Gog tanked this:

The impressiveness of that feat cannot be overstated.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're essentially asking me if I think Adam is capable of preforming a feat that Alan Scott+KC Superman+Thunderbolt+Power Girl(among others) were incapable of...

The answer to that question is a firm no.

[edit]
Mungi beat me to it. 👆

Another way to look at it is CS toppled him towards the end of the fight. Like in many fights, hit your opponent long enough he will go down. The same can be said about Magog severing Gog's head. It was done towards the end.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
[B]Yes. Then he got atomized.

Come on man this is comics. Any top tier would love to have King Hyperion's resume. Lets not lowball him too much.

Monica can be beastly. I'm not surprised.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, there's also this:

Same Gog was stomping the collective JSA(of which also included the likes of KC Supes+Alan+Obsidian+Starman+Power Girl+Jay, etc.)