Blue Marvel vs Citizen Steel

Originally posted by Stoic
Wow. you didn't just go there. Hercules didn't beat Bob in any traditional way. Namor was not his equal, and Bob left because of his orders. It's obvious that he was over matched. No where in the history of comics has Namor been considered a true class 100 in the hand books, and that includes him being soaking wet. Adam on the other hand is well within this elite class. Namor is on the Things level, as he always has been. The Hulk has no level. He was able to take a hit from a creature capable of hitting with the force of over 130 Hercs. This is something that would tear Namor apart. This means nothing to the thread of course, and i really don't want to pursue this.

CS may be able to take Adam based on the scans that were provided, but on the other side, I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't. I didn't know much about CS because i wasn't able to get the JSA comics that he did all of those amazing things. IMO Adam has the better feats in terms of consistency, but this could just mean that CS simply never got the spotlight due to being overshadowed by Big Blue.

*facepalm* I seriously stopped reading after that comment. He isn't class 100 in the handbooks? bwahaha.....he is

Originally posted by Stoic
That's old shit brother, the Hulk was in an immature body in those days as peter David wrote it up. He is far more powerful these days. Just a few years ago, he tried his little b1tch fit on the Hulk, and the Hulk calmly restrained him. Guys like Gladiator, Thor, Sentry, Hercules, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, and Yes Blue Marvel would beat him down if they were as serious as he gets in his fights.

Namor is in the Things strength class. this does not mean that Ben can fight better than he can. Shit even Skaar can lift more than Namor. He's a little boy (Love Skaar by the way so i had to bring him into this LOLLLLL). 😄

Sweet so now we ignore showings? Also he has fought and beat many of the people you mentioned

Yep...you're clearly trolling now. Even recently he lifted Asteroid M.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211949.msg3439647.html#msg3439647

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again he did it, damn I was just about to reference Avengers/Invaders but was waiting for more people to complain about the fight and then say....they fought again and it was a weaker Namor.

Sure and that was a good feat, Attuma also has been steamrolled by Namor too. Especially later in his career as most villians do after their original introduction.

Now do I think he can match Sentry at his upper limits? Nope. Neither do I think Blue could either. Nor did he fight Blue at those levels either.

LOL Aren't you a sly one. Appeasing to Tkitna by bigging up his boy Bob. that's a damn shame.

Sentry was clocked by Adam, and nothing can take that moment away. Namor would so get his ass whipped by the team of Avengers, that Adam was giving hell, while trying to explain himself to them, which was him holding back tremendously. Face it Namor is not on the level. He never was. Unless Apoc hijacks his genes, he never will be.

Namor admits he can't take on the Hulk.

http://s287.photobucket.com/user/kingaholu/media/Hulk%20feats/NamorbelievesHulkisunstoppableinthisstate.jpg.html

This is the same Hulk Sentry did well against.

Originally posted by Stoic
LOL Aren't you a sly one. Appeasing to Tkitna by bigging up his boy Bob. that's a damn shame.

Sentry was clocked by Adam, and nothing can take that moment away. Namor would so get his ass whipped by the team of Avengers, that Adam was giving hell, while trying to explain himself to them, which was him holding back tremendously. Face it Namor is not on the level. He never was. Unless Apoc hijacks his genes, he never will be.

Sure was, but Sentry during that time was having low showings. Nor was Sentry even close at his max. Awesome he hit Sentry, it's a good showing. However, Namor fought Sentry twice....and wasn't getting worked as you claimed he would

My you really don't grasp the point do you? Do I think he is Sentry's match? Nope, not high levels. Neither do I think Blue could either. However, in the same story it was mentioned Blue is on the same level as Thor, Hulk AND NAMOR. The entire point was you can't take one comment and take it face value and ignore the other.

Originally posted by carver9
Namor admits he can't take on the Hulk.

http://s287.photobucket.com/user/kingaholu/media/Hulk%20feats/NamorbelievesHulkisunstoppableinthisstate.jpg.html

This is the same Hulk Sentry did well against.

World War Hulk 😬

Did well and lost, but you also are ignoring the fact Sentry's power automatically calm weaken Hulk

Originally posted by -K-M-
Sweet so now we ignore showings? Also he has fought and beat many of the people you mentioned

Yep...you're clearly trolling now. Even recently he lifted Asteroid M.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211949.msg3439647.html#msg3439647

He was also subdued by the Hulk with one hand. i'm not trolling, I'm in disagreement with your gauges in terms of power and class.As are several other people it seems. It's fine to be wrong, which when it comes to Namor you clearly are. And who in that list has namor defeated? keeping in mind that The Hulk was written up as being a juvenile back in the day when he lost to Namor in Namor's element. I'm not saying that namor isn't strong, I'm saying that he isn't Thor, or Blue Marvel strong.

Savage Hulk overpowers Namor with one hand.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is Hulk...is this the ft you are talking about with Hulk overpowering Namor with one hand?

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot2_zps17c7517f.jpg.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/snapshot_zpsc960e193.jpg.html

Then Nul was stated by Hulk as being his equal and it took all of the Defenders to challenge him and that's including Namor.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I know right? pretty impressive but you wish to just go by his low showing which he was even restricted in regardless.... all the power to ya.

Originally posted by Stoic
He was also subdued by the Hulk with one hand. i'm not trolling, I'm in disagreement with you gauges in terms of power and class.As are several other people it seems. It's fine to be wrong, which when it comes to Namor you clearly are. And who in that list has namor defeated? keeping in mind that The Hulk was written up as being a juvenile back in the day when he lost to Namor in Namor's element. I'm not saying that namor isn't strong, I'm saying that he isn't Thor, or Blue Marvel strong.

Ummmm yeah you're trolling you say he isn't class 100 (he is), you say he would get worked by Sentry (they fought twice and never happened), you say he isn't on the level of Hercules, Thor, Hulk, etc. (yet he has beat and stalemated them), you say old showings should be ignored, etc. Some pearls of wisdom here.

Here.....read this http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211938.0.html

Originally posted by -K-M-
Again he did it, damn I was just about to reference Avengers/Invaders but was waiting for more people to complain about the fight and then say....they fought again and it was a weaker Namor.

Spiderman beat up Firelord on panel too, does that make it right? Seriously KM, I know where your going with it, but if somebody writes 1+1=5 on paper, I think most people realize that more often then not, that's not the right answer.

Originally posted by carver9
Savage Hulk overpowers Namor with one hand.

Then Nul was stated by Hulk as being his equal and it took all of the Defenders to challenge him and that's including Namor.

ummm...you do realize Namor wasn't even trying to get up. Surfer tells him to listen...and he does. 😬 Hulk even mentions they have something in common which causes Namor to listen

Originally posted by tkitna
Spiderman beat up Firelord on panel too, does that make it right? Seriously KM, I know where your going with it, but if somebody writes 1+1=5 on paper, I think most people realize most often then not, that's not the right answer.

Of course, but even in your example there was circumstances why SPider-Man even beat Firelord. He himself restricted his powers and that was even said in the issue.

If you know where Im going with it you can see why I'm using their logic against them.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Ummmm yeah you're trolling you say he isn't class 100 (he is), you say he would get worked by Sentry (they fought twice and never happened), you say he isn't on the level of Hercules, Thor, Hulk, etc. (yet he has beat and stalemated them), you say old showings should be ignored, etc. Some pearls of wisdom here.

Here.....read this http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,211938.0.html

You seem to throw that word out whenever someone disagrees with you, while on the other hand i believe that you are trolling me. You're wrong Namor has never been given the elite class 100 status in a comic except within these boards. Going by comics he is a class 75.

What did you lead me into? Another unofficial fan induced appraisal of Namor's level? Listen we are way off the mark here. none of this has anything to do with the thread. you don't want to come off being wrong, but you are, Now you can deal with that, or not,

Originally posted by -K-M-
Of course, but even in your example there was circumstances why SPider-Man even beat Firelord. He himself restricted his powers and that was even said in the issue.

If you know where Im going with it you can see why I'm using their logic against them.

Hey, its all good. I don't get too worked up about it anymore. I still think Adam wins, but I do admit that the one Gog feat is some strong ammo.

Peace

Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to throw that word out whenever someone disagrees with you, while on the other hand i believe that you are trolling me. You're wrong Namor has never been given the elite class 100 status in a comic except within these boards. Going by comics he is a class 75.

What did you lead me into? Another unofficial fan induced appraisal of Namor's level? Listen we are way off the mark here. none of this has anything to do with the thread. you don't want to come off being wrong, but you are, Now you can deal with that, or not,

Now he's class 75? bwahaha

With one shove, Namor sends a huge ship flying out of the sea where it beaches on some rocks. Marvel Comics #1
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/MarvelComics01a.jpg

Namor is described as one of the most powerful beings on Earth, and his might is compared to that of an atom bomb. TTA #78
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/TalesToAstonish078a.jpg

The force of Namor's battle with [iurl=http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,168856.msg2738307.html#msg2738307]The Behemoth[/iurl] sets off seismographs in every laboratory on the planet, as it causes a more violent undersea disurbance than any ever recorded. TTA #80
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/TalesToAstonish080a.jpg

Lifts a ship out of the water. S-M #21
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Lifts a large section of an under-sea mountain that is dropped on his head. S-M #23
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner23z.jpg

Lifts and carries a submarine out of the sea and onto the rocks. S-M #25
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner25a.jpg

A massive ocean liner is about to cap-size. Namor pushes it back upright. S-M #52
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner52b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Sub-Mariner52c.jpg

Casually throwing a tank hard enough to obliterate a U-Boat in the water nearby. Invaders #32
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Invaders32a.jpg

Lifting and carrying a partly water-logged submarine. Invaders #37
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Invaders37a.jpg

Pushes a crippled freighter some distance into shore. Saga of the Sub-Mariner #3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Saga03a.jpg

Whilst pretty dehydrated (he had been out of the water for nearly 24 hours iirc), Namor uproots a HUGE tree. He claims it's roots must have spread to the core of the planet. Namor #22
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner22a.jpg

With no knowledge of who he was, and having not been in the ocean for weeks, Namor lifts and smashes a massive bulldozer machine. Namor #27
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner27a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner27b.jpg

Dr Doom describes Namor as "the world's most powerful mutant." Namor #31
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner31a.jpg

Namor physically stops Dr Doom's *HUGE* ship (described as a "floating city"😉, rips the propellor off and then neary cap-sizes the boat with one punch. The boat was designed to sail through hurricanes and not feel a thing, so this is a great feat. The narration also suggests that Namor has never fully tested the limits of his strength. Namor #32
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner32a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner32b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner32c.jpg

Namor strength feats continued...

Namor is miniaturised and trapped in a glass bottle via magical spell. Inside said bottle are thousands of tons of water and Doom's "floating city" ship (seen above). To escape, Namor strikes the ground hard enough to cause the bottle to shake and fall from it's holding, shattering. Long story short, he hit hard enough to shift several thousand tons. Namor #33
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033l.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033m.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033n.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Namor033o.jpg

Throws a piece of debris hard enough to cut a giant monster clean in half. The monster's teeth were 6 metres long, so we are talking pretty close to Godzilla proportions here. Namor #34
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner34a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner34b.jpg

Lifts a massive chunk of rock. Namor #37
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Healing/NamorTheSub-Mariner37a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Healing/NamorTheSub-Mariner37b.jpg

Attuma throws a decent sized ship through the air. Namor catches it and lowers it down safely. Namor #45
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner45d.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner45e.jpg

Apparently lifted Hydro-Base off of the sea floor and re-floated it. Namor #46
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/NamorTheSub-Mariner46a.jpg

Throws a large SHIELD attack craft to distract Iron Man. Revolution #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Revolution02c.jpg

Casually rips a Sentinel's arm off and then beats two to death with it. Revolution #3
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Revolution03f.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/Revolution03g.jpg

Throws Ares' axe hard enough to lodge itself deep in Iron Man's armour. Avengers/Invaders #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/AvengersInvaders02g.jpg

Whilst trying to escape from an amped Magneto's power, Namor strikes the ground hard enough to shake an island. X-Men #6
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/X-Men06b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/X-Men06c.jpg

Dr Strange claims that no single power can match that of Namor under the sea. Fantastic Four #27
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Not that there should be any doubt, but here Reed Richards states Thing is weaker than a wet Namor. Fantastic Four #103
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/FantasticFour103a.jpg

Accoring to the narration here, Namor had never really unleashed on Thing with his full might before. Fantastic Four #147
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/FantasticFour147a.jpg

Throws a tank so hard that it takes out a passenger jet flying over-head, and it's still rising. Iron Man #120
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Again, there shouldn't be much doubt about it but it's always nice to hear it from an official source... Stark admits Namor is stronger than Iron Man. Iron Man #120
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/IronManv1120c.jpg

Namor strength feats continued...

Namor destroys a large part of an under-sea mountain. Note that it is extremely likely he is weakened here; on the next page he tried to swim away but passed out due to the effects of the pollution in the water. Iron Man #121
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/IronManv1121a.jpg

Apparently wrestles Mjolnir out of Thor's grasp. Avengers #4
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers004a.jpg
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Captain America calls Namor one of the strongest beings on the planet. Namor also no-sells Cap's best attacks. Avengers #117
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers117a.jpg

Lifts an Avengers Quinjet without much fuss. Avengers #265
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Avengers265a.jpg

Punches Nova hella far. New Warriors #57
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/NewWarriors57a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/NewWarriors57b.jpg

Breaks the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak, a feat Dr Strange describes as impossible. Hulk has tried and failed before.... MT-U v2 #8
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/MarvelTeamUpv208a.jpg
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Lifts, carries and throws a German Destroyer ship. Must have carried it quite far as the boat is shown earlier in the issue to be someway outside of Atlantis. Hulk Annual 1998
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/HulkAnnual1998a.jpg

Casually drags a large Asgardian ship to the surface with one hand. Thor v2 #14
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Thorv2014a.jpg

Destroys a building with one punch. Defenders v3 #4
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/Defendersv304a.jpg

Throws a trident hard enough to shatter parts of Iron Man's armour. IIM #12
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/InvincibleIronMan012a.jpg

Okay, huge feat here. Catches, lifts and carries Mariana, a huuuuge monster. Dark Reign The List: X-Men #1
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheLista.jpg
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To put the above in perspective, here are some scas to give you an idea of Mariana's size and sheer power.
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Mariana1.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Mariana.jpg

Apparently lifts/supports the mutant island Utopia, formerly Magneto's Asteroid M. (Second picture gives an idea of size). Credit for these scans to Maestro on the Alvaros boards. X-Men vs Agents Of Atlas #2
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02a.jpg
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Yep...clearly in the comics he is listed as Class 75. Bwahaha....yeah. He's not even that in the handbooks which you referenced. Yes...clearly I'm the wrong one 🙄

Originally posted by tkitna
Hey, its all good. I don't get too worked up about it anymore. I still think Adam wins, but I do admit that the one Gog feat is some strong ammo.

Peace

That's fair.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Of course, but even in your example there was circumstances why SPider-Man even beat Firelord. He himself restricted his powers and that was even said in the issue.

If you know where Im going with it you can see why I'm using their logic against them.

Wow, and just when I thought that this couldn't become more of a pompous display self serving rubbish. You have quite the ego on you. My advise to you is to stop treating people as if you were above them. Place your feet firmly on the ground, and walk it off. The self imposed superior attitude that is.. Walk that off, it will do you some good.

Lie to yourself, but don't expect others to believe it. Your entire scam here is to attempt to bring Adam down to Namor's level, because there is no way in your mind that Namor would stand a chance against CS. This is where you believed that no one could see through the BS. Guess what?