Nomi Sunrider Respect Thread

Endurance/Pain Tolerance is probably not in RoT Bane's favor. While RoT Bane survived getting cooked by his own lightning, DoE Bane tanked something he himself describes as far worse (tendrils), and that was merely a touch. After getting his arm severed, he still had the mental fortitude to invoke essence transfer.

Faster? Zannah, who's witnessed orbalisk bane before, notes that Bane is faster than she could have ever imagined. They're roughly equal in speed, if not DoE Bane being faster.

Stronger? Drugged Bane ripped a durasteel door off its hinges. What strength feats does Orbalisk Bane have?

More devastating lightning? A casual burst of lightning on DoE Bane's part had the destructive capacity to incinerate 4 guards. Meanwhile, Orbalisk Bane trapped in a sphere of his own lightning storm, with the bolts ricocheting back and forth, was obviously a more charged/circumstantial effort. They're comparable here. DoE Bane also has his lightning cocoon. 😛

-And yeah, this was basically all from DMB's essay(s).

Originally posted by winebottle
Bane survived a fall on multiple kilometers with his armor on. DOE Bane does not even compare.

lol. Aryn Leneer has done this.

Originally posted by winebottle
How does Bane being faster than Zannah ever imagined him to be prove that he is faster than once?

How does it not? She's witnessed Orbalisk Bane in action, and the exact quote is: "He was faster than she could have ever imagined." -I'm not sure this is only referring to recently, as opposed to all her experience with Bane.

Originally posted by winebottle
None, that I recall. But Bane lost physical strength over the years.

A sliver of it, yeah. The strength difference is nigh irrelevant, and his increased tactical ingenuity, skill, unpredictability, and force mastery all make up for it.

Originally posted by winebottle
Do you have a quote?

“He sprang back to his feet, simultaneously drawing his lightsaber with his right hand as he sent a blast of lightning out from the fingertips of his left. The violet bolts should have incinerated all four of his targets on the balcony, yet again the strange power interfering with his ability to draw upon the Force hindered his efforts.”-DoE

Ehh, there's only one still worth replying to.

Originally posted by winebottle
He was faster than she ever imagined him to be. So what? Bane held back his speed considerably whenever they sparred, which is why she never thought him that fast.

He sure as hell wasn't holding back when he attacked Zannah in RoT. And even then she was utterly taken aback by how fast he was in DoE. They're certainly comparable in speed, even if you believe Orbalisk Bane is faster.

Fair enough point. Conceded.

Originally posted by winebottle
Refrain from the strawman. I never said he was holding back when he attacked Zannah, I said he held back when they [b]sparred together. Because of that, she was surprised that he was as fast as he was. [/B]

👆 Precisely. Good to see you up and running again.

Originally posted by winebottle
Refrain from the strawman. I never said he was holding back when he attacked Zannah, I said he held back when they [b]sparred together. Because of that, she was surprised that he was as fast as he was. [/B]

Except the quote states he was faster than she could "ever" have imagined. Indicating an inclusion of RoT.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And unless you can actually rebut his arguments don't expect anyone to give a shit what you write either.

To be fair, he's been rebutting Emperor's arguments for something like a year before the latter defected here.

Yes it does. If he's faster than she could have ever imagined he's faster than she could have imagined in RoT as well.

Which as IIII said, doesn't take into account the fact that it says that its than she could "ever" imagine.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd also like to point out that Dooku was holding off Grievous's speed when the General was only using two arms, which would cut his striking speed in half.

Hell, even POD Bane is capable of ten strikes per second, and his speed by the time of DOE is significantly greater.

nexus feat. He never replicated that speed as of DOE when he was unamped. Just admit Malgus, Kun, Maul, Krayt, Maul and Vader would annihilate him in single combat off a nexus.

Originally posted by winebottle
''Ever'' has more definitions than at all times.

Zannah is referring to the years between ROT and DOE when they sparred together. Bane never sparred with Zannah when he was encased in his armor, from what I know.

Its a separate paragraph, so it doesn't have to solely pertain to what she was talking about in the previous one. Her statement is a blanket one, and it cannot be questioned that the meaning of her words encapsulates their fight in RoT.

Also he did spar with her while in orbalisks. So it's included anyway.

Originally posted by winebottle
You're grasping at straws. The second paragraph mentions ''practice sessions''. It's pretty obvious that the paragraphs connect with each other.

I only have to provide the evidence, Neph. Which I have. I don't have to make you believe it.

There is some connection, but that doesn't mean it "solely" connects. You can easily write a sentence that pertains to the previous one while also pertaining to other things as well.

"I'd brought eggs from this store before and they were usually pretty cheap.

Now though they were more expensive that I'd ever seen them be."

The eggs are more expensive than I'd ever seen them anywhere, not just at that store. Because I described them as more expensive than "I'd ever seen them be" not just "than I'd ever seen them be at that store". But at the same time the first sentence is connected to the second one by setting it up.

You have to prove your case. Which you haven't. Whether or not you or I believe something is irrelevant.

Originally posted by winebottle
Do you have a quote?

"She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions."

That doesn't mean he wasn't holding back.

Do you have a quote?

"You betrayed me!" he roared and leapt at her.

Zannah had watched the battle with interest, taking careful note of Bane's tactics and tendencies and storing them away for later. Her Master easily dispatched Hetton and his minions, as she had expected… though there had been a brief instant near the start of the battle when Bane had appeared vulnerable. Apparently the orbalisks were not able to fully protect him against the electrical current of the force pikes-another fact she made a point of filing away for later.

When it was over her Master turned to face her. She waited for him to demand an explanation, but instead he let loose with a cry and flew at her. Zannah barely had time to ignite her twin blades to meet his completely unexpected attack.

She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.

"I did not betray you, Master!" she shouted, trying to make Bane see reason before he cleaved her in two. "I lured Hetton here so you could kill him!"

She ducked under a horizontal cut from his lightsaber, only to catch a heavy boot in her ribs. She rolled with the kick, narrowly avoiding the return cut of his blade. She parried a sharp descending blow, gathered her feet under her, and launched herself backward, flipping ten meters clear.

"Listen to me, Master!" she shouted now that she had put some distance between them. "If I wanted to betray you, why didn't I help them during the-oooffff!"

Bane hit her with a powerful Force throw, sending her hurtling backward. Only the barrier she had instinctively thrown up at the last second to shield herself saved her bones from being shattered by the concussive force of the impact.

She scrambled to her feet and twirled her lightsaber before her, creating what she hoped would be an impenetrable wall of defense. Instead of trying to pierce her guard, Bane leapt high in the air and came down almost right on top of her. She deftly parried his blade, redirecting it to the side as she spun away to keep his body from slamming into her. But Bane caught her on the chin with his elbow as she turned, the blow snapping her head back. Her body went limp, her weapon dropped from her nerveless fingers, and she crumpled to the ground.

For a second she saw nothing but stars. Her vision cleared to reveal the image of Darth Bane looming above her, his blade raised for the coup de grace.

"I only did this for you, Master!" she shouted up at him, ignoring the throbbing pain in her jaw. "I only wanted to bring you the key to creating a Holocron!"

Bane hesitated, her words finally piercing the bestial madness that had enveloped him. He stared down at her on the ground, his head tilting to the side as his bloodlust slowly faded.

"You did this for me?" he asked suspiciously.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes that is odd. Was he not aware of Bane's feats in the other two books? It's odd how supposedly I'M the one who's being educated here, yet seemingly the reverse in occurring.

I'd say your lack of knowledge on Dooku makes us even.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane's attack on Zannah in RoT had Zannah claiming that Bane was moving so fast that he appeared to be wielding a dozen lightsabers at once, a feat that Dooku has utterly unequalled. And Bane became even faster than that in DoE. Grievous striking that many times is ignoring the fact that he has 4 arms so can make quadruple the attacks if he wielded a single lightsaber. The number of lightsabers leads to that figure, not his speed.

Dooku keeping up with Yoda proves that Bane isn't going to blitz or seriously outpace him, but he's not as fast as Bane is.

Actually Bane has turned people to ash with his lightning, turned a drexl into a charred husk while disintegrating 2 riders, disintegrated stone and (I assume) plastic and melted blaster rifles while weakened.

Dooku hit those Force users under their guards. Obviously if someone was unable to block Bane's lightning with a lightsaber or was taken off-guard his lightning would take them out.

No, Bane's best telekinetic feat was disintegrating a dozen technodroids in RoT with a flick of his wrist. He did this multiple times.

Lol.

Bane blocked a half dozen concussion grenades with his force shields in DoE, while his power was being suppressed by the Huntress.

As Obi-Wan gave ground, Dooku quickened the pace. His every move was economical and elegant; his lightsaber seemed to be everywhere. Obi-Wan remembered Jocasta Nu telling him, With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. Now he could see what she meant. Unfortunately.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

I won't push semantics and say everywhere > dozen places.

Concerning Grievous, I don't follow. Correct me if I'm wrong here but if four blades are coming at you at once, you are going to need to move much faster than if it were one. Because you need to deflect all four blades individually.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks—sixteen per second, eighteen—until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defense.

--Revenge of the Sith

Velocity = Speed.

Also, concerning dual-blade fencing, that is exactly what it does:

Dual-blade fighters, whether classical Niman duelists or individuals applying the Jar'Kai tactic, were able to maintain a strong offense, as the speed of attack that two blades allowed would overwhelm most opponents.

--Wookieepedia

All it took was a DS nexus for Dooku to fight as Yoda's near equal.

2. Fair enough, however I don't recall that drexl feat, as I said before I feel as if Dooku refrains from putting too much power into his attacks because it would be wasteful, economy is the defining aspect of his style and he doesn't need to char corpses to kill them. So while Bane may be outwardly superior in this respect, I don't think its a deal closer by any respect.

Techno beasts are obviously, extremely vulnerable to lightning. That doesn't sound like Bane's most impressive feat to me. And was that not when he was wearing his amplifying orbalisk armor. I assume the other feats brought up were not?

3. I find your lack of faith disturbing...

4. I don't doubt his capabilities, but as I said we lack comparable feats.

Originally posted by Nephthys
There were other things I felt like replying to, like the concept that Dooku collapsing that scaffold was in any way as impressive as Bane obliterating the Lehon temple or the idea that Dooku can tk pwn Ventress even though he obviously can't in a real fight, but I wanna keep it light.

And yes, yes he can. I don't know if you watch TCW but in that show Ventress attacks Dooku and after a brief duel Dooku just ragdolls her and takes her lightsabers. Obviously do do what he did there requires a bit of concentration though.

Originally posted by winebottle
Prove that Bane had the orbalisk armor when they sparred.

😐

Bane got the orbalisks before he even started training Zannah. That quote was from RoT, the book he only loses them at the end of. Do the math.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do the math.

LeGenD called, he wants his catch phrase back.

He doesn't know my phone number. No one does. It is a secret.

I do.