Originally posted by Time ImmemorialI was talking about the Atomic breath vs World engine.
Looking at tech though Kryptonian tech, world engine vs man made nukes..if Godzilla could shrug them off, seems to me advanced alien could as well. Just my opinion.
If someone uses a fire hose to attack you, you may be able to power through the water's push due to your strength. However, if someone attacks you with a flamethrower, it will surely hurt -if not outright kill- you.
What I'm saying is that as of now Superman lacks the feats to say he would tank it 100% for sure.
I also don't get why people think Superman could've lifted part of that Oil rig without any issue and blame the beam giving way for why he failed. First, it was never shown that the beam totally gave way and that's why it fall. Second, he was visibly and clearly struggling to support the weight and that has NOTHING to do with the support beam. Getting KO'd by it made it even worse. As I said before, I don't get why people wank the world engine feat and really impressive. It wasn't really, it was totally meh imo.
Never said it was his limit, at no place did I state that. I'm fully aware he got used to his powers more later. The point is, there is NOTHING to suggest the beam gave out before he did. Let's say it didn't break, Supes wasn't going to hold that up regardless and that was painful obvious.
The world engine feat was meh... Godzilla tanking Nukes is far more impressive. The gravitational forces were meh that superman overcame. The were barely destroying parts of buildings at a time and SLOWLY expanding outwards. Nukes level cities in one shot and easily. Jesus, LL wasn't even sucked into the gravitational beam. The other world engine was slightly more impressive because of the environment being changed. Again though, that was more of a flight feat than a strength one.
Imo, Superman wins.
-- He's waayyy too fast for Godzilla to tag, even with atomic breath (which, btw, clearly telegraphs when it's coming). And even if it hit him, to effect him it would have to be at least as strong as the World Engine beam. No clear indication it was.
-- Godzilla can handle a nuke detonated right next to him. Ok. But keep in mind that 1) it was a Hiroshima-scale nuke (15-20 kilotons); 2) because a blast radiates spherically, Godzilla gets far less than half the total blast energy; he only gets the part his body intercepts; and 3) the power of a nuke is flash-quick. This is why some people can withstand a lightning strike, though lightning is typically 5x hotter than the surface of the sun. All in all, Godzilla withstanding an old-style nuke(s) is not as impressive as it first appears.
That said, I wonder how Godzilla's hide, brain and other organs would stand up to a stronger-than-steel, faster-than-sound projectile piercing his body (or simply zooming down his throat), with sustained heat vision (hot enough to vaporize a steel beam in a second) severing key arteries and nerves.
A movie could make this into a fight, sure. But I really don't see how Godzilla would take this w/o some super-PIS/CIS. At best, the KOTM might be very tough to put down, fighting with heart, and at some point, Superman may lose heart in wanting to kill it.
Originally posted by Mindship
Imo, Superman wins.-- He's waayyy too fast for Godzilla to tag, even with atomic breath (which, btw, clearly telegraphs when it's coming). And even if it hit him, to effect him it would have to be at least as strong as the World Engine beam. No clear indication it was.
-- Godzilla can handle a nuke detonated right next to him. Ok. But keep in mind that 1) it was a Hiroshima-scale nuke (15-20 kilotons); 2) because a blast radiates spherically, Godzilla gets far less than half the total blast energy; he only gets the part his body intercepts; and 3) the power of a nuke is flash-quick. This is why some people can withstand a lightning strike, though lightning is typically 5x hotter than the surface of the sun. All in all, Godzilla withstanding an old-style nuke(s) is not as impressive as it first appears.
That said, I wonder how Godzilla's hide, brain and other organs would stand up to a stronger-than-steel, faster-than-sound projectile piercing his body (or simply zooming down his throat), with sustained heat vision (hot enough to vaporize a steel beam in a second) severing key arteries and nerves.
A movie could make this into a fight, sure. But I really don't see how Godzilla would take this w/o some super-PIS/CIS. At best, the KOTM might be very tough to put down, fighting with heart, and at some point, Superman may lose heart in wanting to kill it.
Actually the bomb in Godzilla I believe was stated to be more powerful than the Hiroshima blast. Second, Godzilla was at ground zero of attack. What you are saying would apply to things not at ground zero and on the outskirts of the initial blast center. This doesn't apply when Godzilla LITERALLY has the bomb go off right next to him.
Superman and the Kryptonians were knocked back by conventional plane fire from a high caliber gun. Nom was sent flying and briefly stunned. Kal was knocked back by it. Kal was also KO'd by the Oil rig and Nom for a brief period. Those things are WELL WELL below Godzilla's atomic breath. The MUTO's were literally LAUGHING off everything we threw at them... The Kryptonians couldn't say the same. Yet, Godzilla's atomic breath did the trick.
Look at the concussive damage the punches being thrown in the small town were doing i.e. next to nothing. Very little was destroyed and the impact had very little concussive force. That is in start contrasts to the Nuke and what it's capable of. No way those punches even come close to delivering the same type of power. Even superman's HV did very little damage at all. It was okay but nothing in the league of A.B.
Godzilla may not be able to hit Kal.. but if he does he would put him down... after all he was put down by much much less
Superman weighs like two hundred pounds.
Of course high-powered ballistics can knock him back. That doesn't mean they can hurt him. No military weapon was able to hurt a Kryptonian in MoS.
The oil rig scene similarly didn't actually harm Clark in any meaningful way, and that was before he unlocked his full potential. Withstanding the destruction of the World Engine (as well as its pulse) far outstrips the oil rig.
Superman could literally fly into Godzilla's eyelids and punch Godzilla in the brain before it processed a thought, lol. Imagine trying to catch a fly, only this fly can move thousands of times faster than the speed of sound and punch you in the medulla oblongata (I think I spelled that wrong).
Originally posted by NemeBro
Superman weighs like two hundred pounds.Of course high-powered ballistics can knock him back. That doesn't mean they can hurt him. No military weapon was able to hurt a Kryptonian in MoS.
The oil rig scene similarly didn't actually harm Clark in any meaningful way, and that was before he unlocked his full potential. Withstanding the destruction of the World Engine (as well as its pulse) far outstrips the oil rig.
Superman could literally fly into Godzilla's eyelids and punch Godzilla in the brain before it processed a thought, lol. Imagine trying to catch a fly, only this fly can move thousands of times faster than the speed of sound and punch you in the medulla oblongata (I think I spelled that wrong).
Of course it harmed them... Nam was thrown back and momentarily dazed by it. It clearly had some effect. Now Imagine what atomic breath would do? It doesn't matter if Kal sustained any significant damage after the oil rig or not.. he was KO'd plain and simple. Him trying new things with his powers doesn't increase his durability. You don't unlock durability. Jor-El plainly stated the earth sun was the reason for his super durability, not him unlocking anything.
Point is, the world engine feat was nothing impressive in the least. It was doing 1/100000 what a Nuke would do in 2 seconds. It wasn't impressive and more of a flight feat anyways. Not strength, but durability and flight.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNam is made of helium, it's a wonder he can maintain his footing on the ground.
Of course it harmed them... Nam was thrown back and momentarily dazed by it. It clearly had some effect. Now Imagine what atomic breath would do? It doesn't matter if Kal sustained any significant damage after the oil rig or not.. he was KO'd plain and simple. Him trying new things with his powers doesn't increase his durability. You don't unlock durability. Jor-El plainly stated the earth sun was the reason for his super durability, not him unlocking anything.Point is, the world engine feat was nothing impressive in the least. It was doing 1/100000 what a Nuke would do in 2 seconds. It wasn't impressive and more of a flight feat anyways. Not strength, but durability and flight.
Momentarily dazed =/= injured.
It was more impressive than an oil rig falling on him. So was his fight with Zod. 👆
It doesn't matter that Godzilla is more durable or powerful than Superman. Superman will just punch him in the brain. 👆
Originally posted by juggerman
His durability clearly increased later in the film. Zod was punching the snot outta him and couldn't KO him. Again: there is no reason to believe the oil rig is the standard when he's endured much more late
Not really bud, there's nothing to believe his durability increased just because he was testing his limits. That really wouldn't be the case as we know it was the prolonged exposure to the sun that made him so durable. He didn't just exponentially increase his durability with a few days or even weeks of exposure before Zod shows up. Not possible.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nam is made of helium, it's a wonder he can maintain his footing on the ground.Momentarily dazed =/= injured.
It was more impressive than an oil rig falling on him. So was his fight with Zod. 👆
It doesn't matter that Godzilla is more durable or powerful than Superman. Superman will just punch him in the brain. 👆
Point is, conventional weapons from earth moved them and dazed them. Period. Atomic breathe would be devastating. That's the point, he's been injured or KO'd by less is the point. It absolutely matters that Godzilla has a more powerful attack and is more durable. Sorry bud, that very much matters.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not really bud, there's nothing to believe his durability increased just because he was testing his limits. That really wouldn't be the case as we know it was the prolonged exposure to the sun that made him so durable. He didn't just exponentially increase his durability with a few days or even weeks of exposure before Zod shows up. Not possible.
There is nothing in the film that shows the longer you are exposed to the sun means the more powerful you get. Yes that's a part of Superman lore in the comics, but in this movie, Zod and company got powers right away and were right on Kal's level. The only thing the film does give is it that the only way Kal will know his limits is to test himself. Not, "the longer you are in the sunlight, the stronger you'll become"
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiAtomic breath might indeed be devastating.
Point is, conventional weapons from earth moved them and dazed them. Period. Atomic breathe would be devastating. That's the point, he's been injured or KO'd by less is the point. It absolutely matters that Godzilla has a more powerful attack and is more durable. Sorry bud, that very much matters.
It doesn't matter. Godzilla will never hit Superman. 👆
Originally posted by juggerman
There is nothing in the film that shows the longer you are exposed to the sun means the more powerful you get. Yes that's a part of Superman lore in the comics, but in this movie, Zod and company got powers right away and were right on Kal's level. The only thing the film does give is it that the only way Kal will know his limits is to test himself. Not, "the longer you are in the sunlight, the stronger you'll become"
totally untrue.. Simply watch this clip big Juggs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k
He literally says that the sun is younger and brighter than Krypton... Your cells have drunken it's radiation strengthened your muscles.. your skin.. He literally states this.
As far as Zod and them matching him with less exposure.. you're preaching to the choir there buddy. I feel the same way on that note. I've argued for pages after pages that Zod and company outperformed Kal with far less exposure. They did, but that doesn't mean that the sun wasn't responsible for Kal's durability. It was. It had nothing to do with testing his limits.