Superman (Man of Steel) vs Godzilla (2014)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
totally untrue.. Simply watch this clip big Juggs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

He literally says that the sun is younger and brighter than Krypton... Your cells have drunken it's radiation strengthened your muscles.. your skin.. He literally states this.

As far as Zod and them matching him with less exposure.. you're preaching to the choir there buddy. I feel the same way on that note. I've argued for pages after pages that Zod and company outperformed Kal with far less exposure. They did, but that doesn't mean that the sun wasn't responsible for Kal's durability. It was. It had nothing to do with testing his limits.

You misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying the sun had nothing to due with his durability in general. I was saying his durability increased from the beginning of the film not from longer exposure to the sun, but from him pushing himself.

How would "pushing oneself" increase one's durability, tho. Durability is more of a passive ability than something you increase just cuz you're pushing yourself.

If anything pushing oneself would have an inverse effect on durability as it increases the stresses inflicted on the body.

Maybe you're thinking of his resistance to KO improving because he was greatly motivated not to lose?

I'm not saying it makes sense. We are talking about an alien with powers that defy logic. But it's clear that pretty much everything about him got better after his talk with his father.

Also I don't agree he was KO'd by the oil rig

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not saying it makes sense. We are talking about an alien with powers that defy logic. But it's clear that pretty much everything about him got better after his talk with his father.

Also I don't agree he was KO'd by the oil rig

Well, I can understand active powers (strength, speed, hv intensity, flight, control of senses, etc.) improving when you push yourself/get more motivated/more disciplined with his powers. Durability just isn't one of those powers that improve when one pushes oneself IMO.

I had more of a sense of "incapacitated via exhaustion as well as injury" in the oil rig scene than simply plain "KO by force", tbh.

I see what you are saying. Endurance then

Works for me 👆

Originally posted by juggerman
You misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't saying the sun had nothing to due with his durability in general. I was saying his durability increased from the beginning of the film not from longer exposure to the sun, but from him pushing himself.

No I understood you buddy, but that isn't how it works. There is nothing stated that testing himself increases his durability. We see Jor-El tell us EXACTLY where he gets his durability and strength from. Which mirrors comics where he doesn't get more durable because he tests himself. Just like anything else, if you're more motivated you can accomplish more than you're not. More drive.. more energy.. more will power can all make you perform past expectation including tanking more. However, that doesn't mean he became more durable by trying harder. Far from it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Blind's Godzilla with heat-vision, then turns his own body into a missile. /thread

This guy pwned the thread on page one 👆

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No I understood you buddy, but that isn't how it works. There is nothing stated that testing himself increases his durability. We see Jor-El tell us EXACTLY where he gets his durability and strength from. Which mirrors comics where he doesn't get more durable because he tests himself. Just like anything else, if you're more motivated you can accomplish more than you're not. More drive.. more energy.. more will power can all make you perform past expectation including tanking more. However, that doesn't mean he became more durable by trying harder. Far from it.

He also told him where he got his strength from. He still got stronger.

Originally posted by Robtard
This guy pwned the thread on page one 👆

Godzilla could still see fine after the point blank nuke blast.. So considering how powerful heat vision was shown in the we can be assured it will do nothing to him. Besides if he decides to do that.. it would take a sustained beam for a little bit to accomplish anything if it even could. That would give Godzilla a damn good marker where Supes is at wouldn't it. We all know Supes couldn't tank the atomic breathe considering what KO'd him in the movie. Game over

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Godzilla could still see fine after the point blank nuke blast.. So considering how powerful heat vision was shown in the we can be assured it will do nothing to him. Besides if he decides to do that.. it would take a sustained beam for a little bit to accomplish anything if it even could. That would give Godzilla a damn good marker where Supes is at wouldn't it. We all know Supes couldn't tank the atomic breathe considering what KO'd him in the movie. Game over

Only seen that film once, but the beginning of the film? Cos Godzilla was underwater for that.

Anyhow, nuke-breath would never hit Superman as Superman would be like an incredibly fast moving bullet to Godzilla and Superman could use himself to dome Godzilla from the top, sides or rear and there's nothing Godzilla could do to stop Superman.

But pretending that Godzilla could hit Superman with the breath, it likely wouldn't put him down. Superman stood under the world engine and survived. He survived smashing into it and the explosion that followed. His body withstood the gravitational pull of an artificial black hole (we see the pull distorting him). But I have a feeling you'll just do what you did before but it doesn't matter, as the breath is a virtually a non-factor in this fight.

Originally posted by Robtard
Blind's Godzilla with heat-vision, then turns his own body into a missile. /thread

IOW, copying the move Thor used in his first movie. 👆

Thor >>> Superman in fighting skills. 🙂

That post really adds to the discussion at hand, silent master. Keep it up 👆

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, copying the move Thor used in his first movie. 👆

Thor >>> Superman in fighting skills. 🙂

Thor's trained since childhood to be a fighter. Kal was taught by his father not to strike back and was never in a fight up until the time he fought Zod and crew. So I would hope that Thor is indeed the more skilled fighter.

Kal would still break him in half though in a fight 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Thor's trained since childhood to be a fighter. Kal was taught by his father not to strike back and was never in a fight up until the time he fought Zod and crew. So I would hope that Thor is indeed the more skilled fighter.

Kal would still break him in half though in a fight 🙂

Well, given the number of deaths Kal is responsible for, I could see Thor believing him to be a villain and attacking. but it's more likely that Thor sees how bad Kal's skills are and decides to take Supes under his wing in order to rectify the situation. 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
Only seen that film once, but the beginning of the film? Cos Godzilla was underwater for that.

Anyhow, nuke-breath would never hit Superman as Superman would be like an incredibly fast moving bullet to Godzilla and Superman could use himself to dome Godzilla from the top, sides or rear and there's nothing Godzilla could do to stop Superman.

But pretending that Godzilla could hit Superman with the breath, it likely wouldn't put him down. Superman stood under the world engine and survived. He survived smashing into it and the explosion that followed. His body withstood the gravitational pull of an artificial black hole (we see the pull distorting him). But I have a feeling you'll just do what you did before but it doesn't matter, as the breath is a virtually a non-factor in this fight.

When they dropped it he was just coming out of the water when it detonated. He was point blank and could see just fine. IF this was comic book HV, sure, he has showings that could validate your strategy. However, since it's MOS HV... it will do nothing to him.

I'll admit that Godzilla would have a hard time tagging Superman, three's no doubt about that. That's is why it's tough to see how this fight would play out. Kal-El seemed to like to mix it up with people and try brute physical force with them. That is how he fought all people.. I never saw any elaborate strategy at any point in the movie. So it's in character for him to meet Godzilla head on, which would be a big mistake.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Well, given the number of deaths Kal is responsible for, I could see Thor believing him to be a villain and attacking. but it's more likely that Thor sees how bad Kal's skills are and decides to take Supes under his wing in order to rectify the situation. 🙂

Thor is a dumb blonde so I could see him making that mistake, even if it is a somewhat honest one. But if Thor attacks, Kal would snap his neck.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
When they dropped it he was just coming out of the water when it detonated. He was point blank and could see just fine. IF this was comic book HV, sure, he has showings that could validate your strategy. However, since it's MOS HV... it will do nothing to him.

I'll admit that Godzilla would have a hard time tagging Superman, three's no doubt about that. That's is why it's tough to see how this fight would play out. Kal-El seemed to like to mix it up with people and try brute physical force with them. That is how he fought all people.. I never saw any elaborate strategy at any point in the movie. So it's in character for him to meet Godzilla head on, which would be a big mistake.

I recall seeing Godzilla's back rise out of the water and then the bomb went off. I don't recall seeing Godzilla "see" after. This is the black and white archived footage, yeah?

Next to impossible time hitting Superman and he'd just get domed by a small super-fast object that would hit him from the rear or top. Even if Superman flew right at Godzilla's eyes, Godzilla likely could react fast enough before 'her' brain gets turned into soup. This thread isn't much of a match at all.

Originally posted by Robtard
I recall seeing Godzilla's back rise out of the water and then the bomb went off. I don't recall seeing Godzilla "see" after. This is the black and white archived footage, yeah?

Next to impossible time hitting Superman and he'd just get domed by a small super-fast object that would hit him from the rear or top. Even if Superman flew right at Godzilla's eyes, Godzilla likely could react fast enough before 'her' brain gets turned into soup. This thread isn't much of a match at all.

Actually, these matchups where one guy is more powerful and durable than another are usually called spite. However, in this case you're arguing that the inferior guy wins, which is quite unusual. Right his back was coming out of the water i.e. he was at ground zero of the detonation.. as were his eyes... we see no eye issue anytime after the nuke... so why would we say it caused it harm. Absence of proof isn't proof. If nothing is show we assume his eyes were just fine, and the rest of the movie backs that up. Point is, if a nuke point blank did nothing to him... Superman MOS hv isn' doing anything.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually, these matchups where one guy is more powerful and durable than another are usually called spite. However, in this case you're arguing that the inferior guy wins, which is quite unusual. Right his back was coming out of the water i.e. he was at ground zero of the detonation.. as were his eyes... we see no eye issue anytime after the nuke... so why would we say it caused it harm. Absence of proof isn't proof. If nothing is show we assume his eyes were just fine, and the rest of the movie backs that up. Point is, if a nuke point blank did nothing to him... Superman MOS hv isn' doing anything.

Post the vid then if you're so sure.

You avoided the rest, lets me know you know that Godzilla can't stop Superman from using his own body as a missile and taking out Godzilla that way. Another glorious MVF win for Superman 👆