Lord Vitiate vs Mother Talzin

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
By your logic, someone who uses steroids just to achieve something on a far lesser extent than someone who didn't need steroids, means the steroid user is a god of prep. It doesn't. It just means he's not nearly as good without it.

As, I said, we have no idea how he took out the dark council other than it happened. We don't know what attack he used. You can't use a feat in a vs. forum if you can't even name the feat.

This sounds like a very huffy concession to me. I don't give a fvck whether Sidious is "better without it", we're discussing prep. Vitiate is better at prep because his use of prep is superior. Deal with it, Sidious isn't the best at everything. I know that's something deeply offensive to you but it's how the evidence goes.

Uh, yes I can. Who gives a shit about what it was. He did it, that's the only relevant thing about it.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I just proved that Sidious was better in that aspect, which you just ignored.

Needing prep to achieve greater results than he could without prep doesn't make one the god of prep. It just means he couldn't do it without prep.

The steroid analogy is dumb as hell. If all things are equal (nutrition, weight lifting), and one of the two took steroids, he's going to be bigger. Sure it may mean less internally for accomplishment sake but results are the same.

Sidious with prep conquered the galaxy and wiped out the Jedi. Vitiate with prep conquered only half the galaxy and failed at destroying the Jedi.

Sidious with prep > Vitiate with prep

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Good point. If you ignore any kind of context, that is or the entire discussion regarding prep.

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Yeah. That's not an issue about personal combat prowess. Sidious' plan and the RoT was simply more effective than the previous attempts at open warfare. It doesn't reflect on their ability to utilise prep against people.

Furthermore, Sidious didn't have the Force Storm when he fought Talzin. So it was pretty damn pointless for S66 to bring up.

Context. Hmmm, good point.

Sidious did it in a few decades and Vitiate failed despite having well over a millennia.

Sidious>>>>>>>Vitiate

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Vitiate wasn't trying to rule the galaxy. 😬

They don't have similar goals in the slightest.I'm not sure why you two are continually trying to compare them when it matters little to the point.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This sounds like a very huffy concession to me. I don't give a fvck whether Sidious is "better without it", we're discussing prep. Vitiate is better at prep because his use of prep is superior. Deal with it, Sidious isn't the best at everything. I know that's something deeply offensive to you but it's how the evidence goes.

Uh, yes I can. Who gives a shit about what it was. He did it, that's the only relevant thing about it.

Basically Palpatine is better than Vitiate in just about everything.

And no, you can't use it unless you can explain how it would work on someone like Talzin. Palpatine having unmatched far sight, the ability to cloud the minds of thousands, and influencing the minds of thousands of jedi at once, are all qualities of his that can be used in a vs thread since we know exactly how it worked and where it got him. In conjunction with his far superior force powers, Palpatine's prep related qualities would make him the god of prep if we put him and Vitiate against each other in a thread wherein both have prep, considering that you just some what admitted that Palpatine, without prep, would demolish a Vitiate with prep.

Also, why would I be offensive at Palpatine producing far more destructive power than a prepped Vitiate? It just suggest how much superior he is to Vitiate.

Talk about denial and rationalization, lol.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vitiate wasn't trying to rule the galaxy. 😬

They don't have similar goals in the slightest.I'm not sure why you two are continually trying to compare them when it matters little to the point.

Much anger I sense in you.

And not sure if the second part was aimed at me... Considering I hardly compare the two anymore.

Originally posted by psmith81992
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Shouldn't even be a discussion but lol.

You gonna give the thumbs up to the stuff that favors Sidious over Vitiate? It's only fair, man.

Most things favor Sidious over Vitiate, I don't need to give thumbs up to the obvious. But I'll give thumbs up to the things that favor Vitiate since they aren't a majority.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah. That's not an issue about personal combat prowess. Sidious' plan and the RoT was simply more effective than the previous attempts at open warfare. It doesn't reflect on their ability to utilise prep against people.

Furthermore, Sidious didn't have the Force Storm when he fought Talzin. So it was pretty damn pointless for S66 to bring up.

Palpatine's prep-related force qualities do reflect his ability to utilize it in personal combat. How is this hard to grasp? Lol

When you said Vitiate was the god of prep, I was assuming you meant in the entire history of SW, so bringing up Palpatine's force storm wasn't pointless. I just felt the need to remind you that Palpatine is miles better than Vitiate.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Most things favor Sidious over Vitiate,

Now I've got wood.

Originally posted by ares834
Much anger I sense in you.

And not sure if the second part was aimed at me... Considering I hardly compare the two anymore.

And no, I sensed ash in the wind. And so he appeared.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I've long agreed that Sidious is the better.

And my pants continue to tighten.

Palpatine's force storm isn't better than Vitiate's planet destroying ritual, lol.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Palpatine's force storm isn't better than Vitiate's planet destroying ritual, lol.

In all seriousness, how so?

Go ahead and respond, I'll get back to you later on this.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
In all seriousness, how so?

Go ahead and respond, I'll get back to you later on this.

I'd like a response as well for why the Force Storm is superior to Vitiate's ritual?