Originally posted by carver9
Team 1 wins the majority. Both Black Bolt and Etrigan can give either of them a hell of a fight and can pull some wins but Superman and Thor fighting together...scary thought.
I'm not sure how they can give them a hell of a fight, nor can I figure out how they'd only take a majority instead of taking this fight 10/10.
Blackbolt can't touch Superman, he can't speak before Superman takes him out. Same with Etrigan, he won't even have time to muster a defense before he goes down.
Superman just has too much speed, and hell even Thor is at the very least a bullet timer himself, which means Supes blitzes Blackbolt while Thor takes on Etrigan, but in reality Supes is quick enough to end this fight before anyone(including Thor) has time to react.
Speed kills unfortunately and if you took the speed advantage away this fight still wouldn't be a hell of a fight because then Blackbolt speaks and everyone dies. So, with the characters not acting like morons it is a stomp for team 1. If they decide to act like morons, then the fight is over as soon as Blackbolt speaks.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not sure how they can give them a hell of a fight, nor can I figure out how they'd only take a majority instead of taking this fight 10/10.Blackbolt can't touch Superman, he can't speak before Superman takes him out. Same with Etrigan, he won't even have time to muster a defense before he goes down.
Superman just has too much speed, and hell even Thor is at the very least a bullet timer himself, which means Supes blitzes Blackbolt while Thor takes on Etrigan, but in reality Supes is quick enough to end this fight before anyone(including Thor) has time to react.
Speed kills unfortunately and if you took the speed advantage away this fight still wouldn't be a hell of a fight because then Blackbolt speaks and everyone dies. So, with the characters not acting like morons it is a stomp for team 1. If they decide to act like morons, then the fight is over as soon as Blackbolt speaks.
What are you talking about? We don't debate off powerset...Their personality is still there. That's like me saying Black Bolt starts the battle off with a full scream...that would more than likely drop everyone on the battlefield.
With that said, since Black Bolt won't go scream crazy and Superman will not blitz around like he is a DBZ character and Thor will not be calling a storm of a thousand/billion winds...This will more than likely end up being a good fight wince Etrigan has already given Superman a tun for his money and B B has given Thor a fight. Team 1 still wins the majority.
Originally posted by carver9While I get the point, BB wouldn't get to scream before Kal shoved his fist down his throat.
What are you talking about? We don't debate off powerset...Their personality is still there. That's like me saying Black Bolt starts the battle off with a full scream...that would more than likely drop everyone on the battlefield.With that said, since Black Bolt won't go scream crazy and Superman will not blitz around like he is a DBZ character and Thor will not be calling a storm of a thousand/billion winds...This will more than likely end up being a good fight wince Etrigan has already given Superman a tun for his money and B B has given Thor a fight. Team 1 still wins the majority.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not sure how they can give them a hell of a fight, nor can I figure out how they'd only take a majority instead of taking this fight 10/10.Blackbolt can't touch Superman, he can't speak before Superman takes him out. Same with Etrigan, he won't even have time to muster a defense before he goes down.
Superman just has too much speed, and hell even Thor is at the very least a bullet timer himself, which means Supes blitzes Blackbolt while Thor takes on Etrigan, but in reality Supes is quick enough to end this fight before anyone(including Thor) has time to react.
Speed kills unfortunately and if you took the speed advantage away this fight still wouldn't be a hell of a fight because then Blackbolt speaks and everyone dies. So, with the characters not acting like morons it is a stomp for team 1. If they decide to act like morons, then the fight is over as soon as Blackbolt speaks.
Originally posted by carver9
What are you talking about? We don't debate off powerset...Their personality is still there. That's like me saying Black Bolt starts the battle off with a full scream...that would more than likely drop everyone on the battlefield.
Okay, well, that benefits Superman. Not using his speed isn't actually a part of Supermans personality. While Blackbolt holding back when he does his scream is.
With that said, since Black Bolt won't go scream crazy and Superman will not blitz around like he is a DBZ character and Thor will not be calling a storm of a thousand/billion winds...This will more than likely end up being a good fight wince Etrigan has already given Superman a tun for his money and B B has given Thor a fight. Team 1 still wins the majority.
Sorry, but this makes zero sense even if you try to toss personality in. We've seen Superman using his speed, even if not in every encounter. So we know he is aware of the concept of "Gee my speed sure can help in a fight, and end them quickly before too many people get hurt".
If you're going off Nu Supes, he hasn't been around that long, but he's had enough feats to give him a huge edge here. Heck this version even used his speed against Flash. It didn't help, of course, but he was at least able to react to him(or something of that nature). So how you can say it is a part of his personality baffles me. It's not CIS, it's PIS.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman will get hit. It just wont be enough.
If it's Blackbolt who hits him it will be enough. He doesn't have to scream really. He has taken out people like Hulk with a whisper. He also took out Gladiator without anywhere near his full scream.
Also just to comment on the "we don't argue powersets" and stuff, here is a quote from a moderator from a recent Superman vs Loki thread:
I haven't been on much the past several weeks due to my business. But I know Pr has had enough of everything that's been happening. The lowballing, trolling, ignoring mods, limiting characters, etc. stops now.
Superman, Flash, Shazam, Wonder Woman, etc. will all use their speed, period. If you have a problem then go to a pro-Marvel board, or contact Marvel and tell them to give characters speed feats."
Originally posted by Surtur
If it's Blackbolt who hits him it will be enough. He doesn't have to scream really. He has taken out people like Hulk with a whisper. He also took out Gladiator without anywhere near his full scream.
I was speaking more about attacks in general, than the scream.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also just to comment on the "we don't argue powersets" and stuff, here is a quote from a moderator from a recent Superman vs Loki thread:I haven't been on much the past several weeks due to my business. But I know Pr has had enough of everything that's been happening. The lowballing, trolling, ignoring mods, limiting characters, etc. stops now.
[b]Superman, Flash, Shazam, Wonder Woman, etc. will all use their speed, period
. If you have a problem then go to a pro-Marvel board, or contact Marvel and tell them to give characters speed feats." [/B]
That is true, but we don't forget a character's personality to go with it.
For example, Superman will still take a punch in his usual "I can tank anything until I find out I can't" mindset. He just won't forget he has speed and allow himself to get pummelled past any reasonable length.
Originally posted by -Pr- That is true, but we don't forget a character's personality to go with it.For example, Superman will still take a punch in his usual "I can tank anything until I find out I can't" mindset. He just won't forget he has speed and allow himself to get pummelled past any reasonable length. [/B]
That quote contradicts this. It says they will use their speed, period. It doesn't say they will let people hit them. Superman has no reason to let a person wail on him here. So nobody can fall back on the "Superman won't blitz right away" argument.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I like how Black Bolt is being portrayed as he's made of wet paper here.
He's not made of wet paper, he's just not made of anything durable enough to withstand a speedblitz from a guy strong enough to bench press the planet for 5 days, without getting any exposure to sunlight during that time. That's not a knock on BB's durability. He is durable, and strong, and he also has powers other then his scream..like energy manipulation he has used to fire blasts of anti matter, etc.
Originally posted by Surtur
That quote contradicts this. It says they will use their speed, period. It doesn't say they will let people hit them. Superman has no reason to let a person wail on him here. So nobody can fall back on the "Superman won't blitz right away" argument.He's not made of wet paper, he's just not made of anything durable enough to withstand a speedblitz from a guy strong enough to bench press the planet for 5 days, without getting any exposure to sunlight during that time. That's not a knock on BB's durability. He is durable, and strong, and he also has powers other then his scream..like energy manipulation he has used to fire blasts of anti matter, etc.
It's not a contradiction, but an extension.
Superman will use his speed, but only when it is in character to do so. It's about eliminating the negatives, rather than going overboard on the positives.
Originally posted by SurturBlack Bolt survived point blank an explosion that ripped a parsecs wide hole in space and opened up the universe to the Cancerverse War...
He's not made of wet paper, he's just not made of anything durable enough to withstand a speedblitz from a guy strong enough to bench press the planet for 5 days, without getting any exposure to sunlight during that time. That's not a knock on BB's durability. He is durable, and strong, and he also has powers other then his scream..like energy manipulation he has used to fire blasts of anti matter, etc.
You want to put Superman benching the planet into his blitz and strength, have fun with what Black Bolt took. 🙂
Team 1 wins. But its not a stomp in any way.
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, well, that benefits Superman. Not using his speed isn't actually a part of Supermans personality. While Blackbolt holding back when he does his scream is.Sorry, but this makes zero sense even if you try to toss personality in. We've seen Superman using his speed, even if not in every encounter. So we know he is aware of the concept of "Gee my speed sure can help in a fight, and end them quickly before too many people get hurt".
If you're going off Nu Supes, he hasn't been around that long, but he's had enough feats to give him a huge edge here. Heck this version even used his speed against Flash. It didn't help, of course, but he was at least able to react to him(or something of that nature). So how you can say it is a part of his personality baffles me. It's not CIS, it's PIS.
If it's Blackbolt who hits him it will be enough. He doesn't have to scream really. He has taken out people like Hulk with a whisper. He also took out Gladiator without anywhere near his full scream.