Why Man of Steel Superman Does not Top Reeve’s version

Ofcourse action is essential in any SuperHero movie. I'm no twit. I'm just asking that maybe people don't jizz at the amount of explosions or alien wrestling they see. Every Superhero has their own vibe. Batman: Detective gadget user who beats thugs to a pulp, constantly playing mind games with his villain. Green Lantern: Digging deep for courage and willpower against overwhelming odds (no matter how homosexual Ryan may make it look). Superman: Symbol of Justice who protects the innocents and sends the baddies to prison... with the occasional Zod invasion 😉.

While I will admit, MOS did have some interesting new takes on the series. Some I didn't agree with, such as Lois knowing the secret, kinda just ruins many moments of comedy we could have had. And Johnathin dying to save a dog from a tornado, I did like the idea of him dying believing the secret wasn't ready to be told... but he was saving a dog... am I the only one who found that weak? The fight scenes were essential but they dragged out for so long due to Snyder wanting wank over more explosions and buildings falling over. We have too much of that shit already.

Reeve gave the effect of awesome and his Clark portrayal was legendary. His cheesy smile when he catches the bullet in the alley... gets me every time... You're gonna hate me but Superman is a family hero but they've outfitted him to a 9 year-old's definition of cool.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And you'll note how the lack of action made that movie suck ass and forgettable, no matter how noble Routhman was.

You are missing the point. The point is Routhman was notable as Superman.

His Superman version was nothing but a replication of Reeve’s version. MOS Superman is not really notable. The special effects of him fighting are but his character itself not so much that he is view as a superior version than Reeve’s version.

Bale’s version of Batman was comparable and arguably better than Keaton’s version. MOS Superman not does not match up to Reeve’s version in any category that I can think of.
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Question do you view MOS version of Superman as the best version display on film?

Nostalgia is the only way you can view Donner's Superman as superior. From the mannerisms, physicality, look, and action sequences to the dialogue. Cavill had it all.

The first two Donner films will always be iconic but you can't compare it to MOS. It just isn't really fair. Too dated.

Besides, the tone, Cavill was more of a physical embodiment of Reeve's Superman than Routh anyways. The scene where he's lifting the world engine; looks just like him. Plus his Clark wasn't as cheesy.

Snyder gave us Superman for 2013. He did it extremely well.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Nostalgia is the only way you can view Donner's Superman as superior. From the mannerisms, physicality, look, and action sequences to the dialogue. Cavill had it all.

The first two Donner films will always be iconic but you can't compare it to MOS. It just isn't really fair. Too dated.

Besides, the tone, Cavill was more of a physical embodiment of Reeve's Superman than Routh anyways. The scene where he's lifting the world engine; looks just like him. Plus his Clark wasn't as cheesy.

Snyder gave us Superman for 2013. He did it extremely well.

Actually you can. When you think of Donner Superman films Reeve's comes to mind. When you think of MOS, special effects comes to mind not Cavill verison of superman.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The Reeves era films were good for their time (about 3 decades ago), but they admittedly do not hold up with contemporary superhero films. They're kind of cheesy TBH.

Besides the one scene with the trucker, I think they got Superman's persona pretty down pat in this. I liked and familiarized with him. He was clearly an altruistic hero.

Also, the ultimate version of Superman to me is the DCAU version. Everything else is just a variant.

But yeah, I'd much rather watch MOS than one of the Reeves films.

Superman 1 and 2 consist of a large part of my childhood. The movie was great back then, and it did set the tone for comic movies in the next 2 decades. Having said that the movie does feel dated. IMO MoS is the better movie.

Still Reeve will probably never be beaten as THE Superman. He had this charm to him. You felt like everything would be good/was good with just one of his smiles. Even when he commits murder.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Actually you can. When you think of Donner Superman films Reeve's comes to mind. When you think of MOS, special effects comes to mind not Cavill verison of superman.

@Lestov16 and Time Immemorial

Both of your comments focus on the movie itself and not the character Superman. What was so good about the character Superman in MOS?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I disagree. Maybe for you, but not me.

Ok. So you prefer MOS version of Superman over the previous ones? I am particularly referring to the portrayal of the character Superman.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Actually you can. When you think of Donner Superman films Reeve's comes to mind. When you think of MOS, special effects comes to mind not Cavill verison of superman.

When people think of "action" when it comes to MOS a bad thing? It's arguably the best action we've seen in any film of its type. Only Avengers comes close.

Originally posted by Kotor3
So you prefer MOS version of Superman over the previous ones? I am particularly referring to the portrayal of the character Superman.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Maybe so; but could it be because it's 2014 and we're pondering on a film that released in 1978?
When people think of "action" when it comes to MOS a bad thing? It's arguably the best action we've seen in any film of its type. Only Avengers comes close.

Date of a movie has nothing to do with whether it is good or not. So here is a comparison between the movies:
• Story development – Donner wins
• Special effects - Snyder's wins
• Character development – Donner wins
• Lasting impression for decades to come – Donner wins

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Me, personally; yes. Not because Cavill did a better job than Reeve persay. I simply prefer Snyder's tone over Donner's. That simple. With that said, I think Cavill did a very good job.

Ok. I think Cavill version has potential. I just hope they do much better with the development of his character.

Everything points to Cavillman getting a lot of realistic character development. Hope they at least get that right in the sequel.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Date of a movie has nothing to do with whether it is good or not. So here is a comparison between the movies:
• Story development – Donner wins
• Special effects - Snyder's wins
• Character development – Donner wins
• Lasting impression for decades to come – Donner wins

Ok. I think Cavill version has potential. I just hope they do much better with the development of his character.

I disagree there
Story development- MOS definitely had a more thrilling and exciting story than Superman 2

Special effects- Do I even need to say?

Character development- Reeve is probably the better actor, and he did have a certain undeniable optimistic charm to him, but Cavill Kal definitely felt like a guy worthy of title Superman; Really it has to do with the tone of the films; I'll say draw

Lasting impression for decades to come- How can you possibly judge this when MOS has only been out for a year? And note how we're still talking about it in depth today. How do you know we won't be doing the same decades from now, especially since there's presumably about to be an entire DC film franchise based around it?

Only thing weak in MOS was their handling of Lois Lane.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Only thing weak in MOS was their handling of Lois Lane.

She's always gonna be the weak link man. What else are they supposed to have her do? She's a dansle in distress.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Ofcourse action is essential in any SuperHero movie. I'm no twit. I'm just asking that maybe people don't jizz at the amount of explosions or alien wrestling they see. Every Superhero has their own vibe. Batman: Detective gadget user who beats thugs to a pulp, constantly playing mind games with his villain. Green Lantern: Digging deep for courage and willpower against overwhelming odds (no matter how homosexual Ryan may make it look). Superman: Symbol of Justice who protects the innocents and sends the baddies to prison... with the occasional Zod invasion 😉.

While I will admit, MOS did have some interesting new takes on the series. Some I didn't agree with, such as Lois knowing the secret, kinda just ruins many moments of comedy we could have had. And Johnathin dying to save a dog from a tornado, I did like the idea of him dying believing the secret wasn't ready to be told... but he was saving a dog... am I the only one who found that weak? The fight scenes were essential but they dragged out for so long due to Snyder wanting wank over more explosions and buildings falling over. We have too much of that shit already.

Reeve gave the effect of awesome and his Clark portrayal was legendary. His cheesy smile when he catches the bullet in the alley... gets me every time... You're gonna hate me but Superman is a family hero but they've outfitted him to a 9 year-old's definition of cool.

Jizzing to the amount of explosions the way you jizz and talk about the island feat over and over and over? I swear you literally cannot make a valid debate because the same thing you cry about other people doing, you do the same thing.

They did the comedian act for 4-5 movies. Arnt you a bit tired of the comedian act? Jon had to die, protecting his son was the way he wanted to go out, so be it. I really think you are just a hater and want 30 Superman 1 movies.

Not complaining. It could've been handled WAY worse and backfired. *See Rachel Dawes*

Originally posted by Kotor3
@Lestov16 and Time Immemorial

Both of your comments focus on the movie itself and not the character Superman. What was so good about the character Superman in MOS?

The character development was deep.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I disagree there
Story development- MOS definitely had a more thrilling and exciting story than Superman 2

Fair enough, of course I do not agree. Donner spent part of Superman I leading to the up to the suspense and feel of Superman II. All which made Superman II that much more thrilling. I felt Snyder putting Zod into the first Superman move was rushed and the lost some of the excitement and thrill.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Special effects- Do I even need to say?

Yes I gave this to Snyder but in truth both were epic for their time.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Character development- Reeve is probably the better actor, and he did have a certain undeniable optimistic charm to him, but Cavill Kal definitely felt like a guy worthy of title Superman; Really it has to do with the tone of the films; I'll say draw

To each their own. I can understand you liking the move MOS but to say this is a draw is I do not see how you could even come to that conclusion.

It definitely has more to do with just Reeve being a better actor. His character was written better. As for darker tone. I do not see nothing dark about Cavill character besides the color of this suit.

Comparison:
• Personality
• The way he flys
• Powers
• Display of alternate personality Clark Kent.

I can go on, really, a draw?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Lasting impression for decades to come- How can you possibly judge this when MOS has only been out for a year? And note how we're still talking about it in depth today. How do you know we won't be doing the same decades from now, especially since there's presumably about to be an entire DC film franchise based around it?

When you first saw Reeve’s version of Superman what impression then he leave on you?

Like Keaton’s version of Batman Reeve’s version became the standard for Superman. It did not take years it happen as soon as you finished watching the movie.

You can say that about a few comic book character translations to film. I do not feel the same about Cavill display of Superman. Do you?

Perhaps the special effects of the movie but not the character itself.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The character development was deep.

I would ask you to expand on that comment but ok. I definitely do not agree. That is one of the biggest issues with the movie and Superman character display in MOS.

Then there's the score. John Williams' theme is iconic but Zimmer's score was truly one of the best I've ever heard for any movie. It was thoroughly engaging. Made the film even more epic.

Agreed. I'm glad to say Superman has been very lucky to get epic scores on his movies.