All I can say is if the superman franchise wants to progress they better hope Diseny dosent release captain America 3 on the same weekend as the next superman movie. Hope it don't happen
This will hurt both movies, Diseny can easily abosorb the blow D.C. cannot they have a lot of ground to make up and it better work. AS far as MOS goes it wasn't as bad as some say. IT just had a different feel to it.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I would ask you to expand on that comment but ok. I definitely do not agree. That is one of the biggest issues with the movie and Superman character display in MOS.
Ok, Zero character development in the first 5 movies, it's the same story..
This movie presented a more real world situation for Clark.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Fair enough, of course I do not agree. Donner spent part of Superman I leading to the up to the suspense and feel of Superman II. All which made Superman II that much more thrilling. I felt Snyder putting Zod into the first Superman move was rushed and the lost some of the excitement and thrill.Yes I gave this to Snyder but in truth both were epic for their time.
To each their own. I can understand you liking the move MOS but to say this is a draw is I do not see how you could even come to that conclusion.
It definitely has more to do with just Reeve being a better actor. His character was written better. As for darker tone. I do not see nothing dark about Cavill character besides the color of this suit.
Comparison:
• Personality
• The way he flys
• Powers
• Display of alternate personality Clark Kent.I can go on, really, a draw?
When you first saw Reeve’s version of Superman what impression then he leave on you?
Like Keaton’s version of Batman Reeve’s version became the standard for Superman. It did not take years it happen as soon as you finished watching the movie.
You can say that about a few comic book character translations to film. I do not feel the same about Cavill display of Superman. Do you?
Perhaps the special effects of the movie but not the character itself.
Reeves Superman was the standard for the people of the 70's and 80's, because that's all there was. For my generation, that standard for Superman was the DCAU version, because that's all there was. Like I said, the Donner films seem really cheesy when compared to contemporary superhero films. It would have felt dated in the 90s. For the newest generation, MOS will be their standard and is the most current standard.
If you want to go into who best encapsulated the comic book character, again the DCAU version shits all over Reeves and Cavill in that department.
Not particularly fair to compare the cinematic version to the animated incarnation. I'm sure everyone and their mother agrees Conroy IS Batman but you can't fault Keaton or Bale. They did what they could with 5 films between them respectively. Conroy has close to a hundred hours of material probably between all the shows, movies, and games.
Superman's character wasn't the issue. In isolation it wasn't that bad. The problem was that everyone else was exactly the same. Grim, miserable, stoic. The reason things like Avengers, Winter Soldier and Days of Future Past work better is due to there being balance and difference between the personalities. That's also why Reeves supes was superior to MoS in every aspect except effects.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Reeves Superman was the standard for the people of the 70's and 80's, because that's all there was. For my generation, that standard for Superman was the DCAU version, because that's all there was. Like I said, the Donner films seem really cheesy when compared to contemporary superhero films. It would have felt dated in the 90s. For the newest generation, MOS will be their standard and is the most current standard.If you want to go into who best encapsulated the comic book character, again the DCAU version shits all over Reeves and Cavill in that department.
There were many Batman movies after Keaton’s version but only Keaton’s version was accepted until Bale’s version came out to contend and brought a version that everyone could accept as the new look and feel for Batman.
There was a standard before Reeve came out then he became the standard.
Point, there was a standard before Cavill version of Superman, Reeve’s. Did Cavill beat out Reeve’s version? No. Most people do not prefer his version of Reeve’s.
I feel the reason for that is because of the way he was written and the script he had to deal with. As for the actor himself I definitely feel he is the next best actor fit for Superman, too Reeve.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
They were ideal for their time. It won't work today. Case in point: Superman Returns.
I agree whole heartedly with this. We don't need a continuation, of something overdone at Superman 3. MOS just seemed like a completely different SuperHero movie. It might be my blind hatred of Zach Snyder. Or how even my Uncle, who was looking forward to MOS, thought it was a major let down. Cavill definatly could have been a great Superman, but unfortunately they wanted him to be Alien Wrestler Man. IN MY OPINION! MY WORD IS NOT LAW! MY WORD IS NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES!
@TE, what the **** does the island lifting feat have anything to do with this thread? Go rage somewhere else and leave the discussions to the grown ups. I hope your feelings are hurt.
We live in a post-9/11 pessimistic, paranoid, cynical, and pragmatic world. Now more than ever we enjoy our villains to be sentient beings who can punched like a terrorist, rather than a boring kryptonite island. Reeves grinning and winking would seem cheesy as all hell today. We needed a reboot and we got it.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I agree whole heartedly with this. We don't need a continuation, of something overdone at Superman 3. MOS just seemed like a completely different SuperHero movie. It might be my blind hatred of Zach Snyder. Or how even my Uncle, who was looking forward to MOS, thought it was a major let down. Cavill definatly could have been a great Superman, but unfortunately they wanted him to be Alien Wrestler Man. IN MY OPINION! MY WORD IS NOT LAW! MY WORD IS NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES!@TE, what the **** does the island lifting feat have anything to do with this thread? Go rage somewhere else and leave the discussions to the grown ups. I hope your feelings are hurt.
Considering you never shut up about the island being lifted? I know your mad 😆
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Explain how MOS had zero character development.
My statement is that the character development for Superman was not done well, not that there wasn’t any.
I broken this down in previous threads but in short as an example;
The Synder took over an hour of the film to show us Clark trying to find his way and not knowing what to do with himself. Very draw out and boring. Donner was able to do this in about 20mins or less.
It was clear in Donner film that Clark could not save his father and it has a lasting effect on him that was seen again when he decided to change back time so he could save Louis. See the relationship between the scenes and story.
In Donner version we see Superman study for years (in Superman I) about earth his powers and the civilization he came from. This also made it believable that he was able to defeat Zod and his companions.
There definitely wasn’t that same feel and connection in MOS. Still do not know why the dad went for the dog and why Clark let him die. Nor how he was able to defeat military train soldiers who had the same abilities as him without him being well learned in his powers.
Donner version seem well developed while Snyder version seems rushed.