Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I just gave you the evidence. Did your mind purposefully blank it?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
We have to look to the films, but you should also add to that what the creative minds of the franchise are telling us.
Sorry, but that's how this thing works. I can get a mod ruling on this matter if you want.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
😂 Looks like someone needs brushing up on their history.The Cuban missile crisis happened at the time of JFK. It crossed over the events of X-Men First Class.
All that this movie does is add the fact that Magneto was involved in both these historic events(the crisis and the assassination). It in no way dismisses what happened during the crisis.
Heck, it actually references the missile crisis and how Magneto's involvement in it was covered up. I believe it was Trask or someone else who mentioned it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I already acknowledged that. And that seems to be the only part of X3 they want to acknowledge. Probably because that was the centre story of The Wolverine so they couldn't just ignore it. Plus it gave more emotion to the end of DOFP.But they didn't even bother to give us an explanation on how Xavier came back to life! They've completely ignored such a huge event of X3. With the Producers simply saying "Ah forget that damn movie!" LOL
They showed him coming back to life within the body of a braindead man in the post credits scene of X3 itself. Why would they want us to forget that movie even when they specifically show scenes from that movie in the flashback. More importantly; why the f*ck are you such a retard? 😂
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nice job dreaming. BUt there were no flashbacks from Origins. The flashbacks were the ones shown in X2. And the only Striker in the flashbacks was the one shown in X2.I wonder why the Origins Striker wasn't shown?! LOL
And to top off this whole thing, It's the same damn time period! The Vietnam War! And yet this Striker was not only purposefully a new actor but a good 10-15 years younger! LOL LOL
Stop stringing to straws. Origins is done for. It was a failed project which was supposed to lead to a whole load of Origin stories. But it failed so the studios have just ignored it.
Maybe because he was 10 years younger as compared to when he "officially" met Logan and Creed in 1973?
That's because they altered the timeline by sending Logan back in the past. I am guessing you haven't heard of something called the grandfather paradox? Or you are just ignorant with the basic nuances involved in time travel in fiction in general.
Nope, it's not. Being a flop doesn't mean its written out of canon, when nothing even remotely close to it was showcased in the movie itself. Not to mention how stupid it is to claim that it was a failure, when it was actually a box office success.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes, evidence! LOL, Try it sometime!And guess what it's already confirmed Apocalypse will take place in the early 80's with both Cyclops and Jean as young X-Men shitting on X3 and Origins even more. Singer has basically just stuck his finger up at those 2 films 😆
Apocalypse takes place in the altered timeline, silly goose. The timeline altered certain events, it didn't alter Wolverine's powerset and character.
Again, time travel. Read it up.
Originally posted by Silent Master
As of X-men 2, Wolverine never had a hole in his head, you're basically arguing that a normal bullet was able to penetrate adamantium. rather than the bullet was being held in place by his skin and thus it healing dislodged the bullet.But I'm fine with adamantium being that weak, so we can go with that if you really want.
Which would mean that Wolverine can regenerate the adamantium on his skull. Which is dumb as shit. Although I am fine with you being a dumbass, so we can go with that if you really want.🙂
Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
I was using it as a feat, you kept on saying that cap was to fast for wolverine and that he wouldn't even touch him. I proved wolverine can tag him then you and SM got buthurt over it. I don't even like wolverine however when someone starts lowballing one character and wanking another one that's what gets me the most so I wasn't gonna let you win that debate.BTW I did read above, and it showed that your mad.
There was no feat there. He didn't tag a guy moving at hyperspeed. Try to debate without fanboyism.
CAP would easily keep Wolverine at bay with his superior speed and SHIELD.
Wow Epicurus, really impressed. You seem to have completely blanked all the points I was making and gone off on your own rant which doesn't address any of the main points. You may be an even bigger retard than Time Immemorial and God Cloth Seiya combined.
Will rip you apart in a bit.
Originally posted by Epicurus
And I just deconstructed your so-called evidence by showcasing how it is contradicted by the movie itself. Did you mind purposely overlook it?
You've done nothing except ignore blatant in your face evidence and went off on a tangent about something completely different. The argument of a guy who knows he's wrong but is deperately trying to save face I'd say 😂
Originally posted by Epicurus
If what they say is contradicted by the film itself, then we go by what is shown in the films. This is the Movie VS Forum, not the exec producer's words matter forum.Sorry, but that's how this thing works. I can get a mod ruling on this matter if you want.
HAHAHAHA So your just going to completely ignore the creators of the Franchise and stick with your own BS instead?
Great 👆
But before you do that just think about this.. Who exactly is going to outright tell us that Origins Wolverine is no longer Canon apart from the Creators of the franchise?
TRY USING YOUR HEAD.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Not sure what you're trying to prove here, apart from making a stupid and unnecessary non-sequiter. JFK was killed almost a year after the crisis.All that this movie does is add the fact that Magneto was involved in both these historic events(the crisis and the assassination). It in no way dismisses what happened during the crisis.
Heck, it actually references the missile crisis and how Magneto's involvement in it was covered up. I believe it was Trask or someone else who mentioned it.
And what the hell does any of this have to do with the canonicity of X-Men The Last Stand or X-Men Origins Wolverine? Please explain without ignoring the point and going off on another pointless and desperate tangent. Because the Cuban Missile Crisis reference is referring to the events of First Class as it took place in the 60's.
X3 did not take place even close to the 60's LOL.
Originally posted by Epicurus
No you didn't.
Oh Really? Here you go. This was just on the last page. Talk about drawing convenient blanks over my posts.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIn fact even X3 canonicity seems in question. Obviously Wolverine stabbing Jean to stop her killing people has been referenced in the newer canon films. But that's about it. Everything else has been ignored. They didn't even bother to explain how Xavier is alive, or how Magneto got his powers back.
Originally posted by Epicurus
You used that interview to pretend that X3, Last Stand and Origins was rendered non-canon by the latest film, when the movie itself tells us an entirely different story. Nope, sorry bud but you don't get to pick and choose. If scenes are shown from the other films in flashbacks, that means those films are still canon to the X-movieverse. Lying and strawmanning seems to be a fave habit of yours.
Urmmm what? She told us in that interview to just forget about those 2 films. If there's a certain event from the film that they want to reference or want us to remember, then it's just that, a singular event.
There is evidence like that to show X3 has still taken place which is why I specifically stated that X3's canonicity is in question, and not that it is entirely rendered non-canon.
But fact is that between First Class and DOFP they have completely contradicted that movie time and time again, really not giving a crap what was shown - Patrick Stewart Xavier walking to get Jean whilst using his telepathy? And still best pals with Magneto?
Origins has however been completely rendered Non-Canon and there are several pieces of evidence for that. Not 1 scene of that shown in Wolverine's memories, The older Striker shown is only the one from X2. And most of all Striker is 20 years younger than he should be. There's just no getting around that no matter how much you want to.
Originally posted by Epicurus
They showed him coming back to life within the body of a braindead man in the post credits scene of X3 itself. Why would they want us to forget that movie even when they specifically show scenes from that movie in the flashback. More importantly; why the f*ck are you such a retard? 😂
LOL The fact that this was a scene right at the very end of the credits(not even mid-credits) which 99% of your General Audience haven't seen, the fact that even that scene didn't explain much in terms of how is that body exactly like Xavier's and in a wheel chair as well, and the fact that DOFP chose to ignore all those explanations means they really don't care about the events or canonicity of that movie, and really just want us to forget it ever happened.
I've already told you about the reason for referencing that scene from X3, but you seem to keep drawing blanks when someone is making complete sense. The last Wolverine film is complete canon, and Wolverine stabbing Jean was a big part of that movie, so they had to show Logan's shock at the end of DOFP at seeing Jean alive.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Wolverine's adamantium coating unravels you. And even if that hadn't been shown, we could easily draw anecdotal support for it being canon since the other movies which that exec producer of yours claims are ignored by them, were are directly referenced in DoFP itself.
Origins wasn't referenced. Striker was purposefully a completely different and much younger actor. That was obviously to Retcon Origins 😂
Originally posted by Epicurus
Maybe because he was 10 years younger as compared to when he "officially" met Logan and Creed in 1973?
HAHA DOFP takes place in 1973! How did you miss that?
And the new actor is actually 20 years younger than the one used in Wolverine at that time : )
Originally posted by Epicurus
That's because they altered the timeline by sending Logan back in the past. I am guessing you haven't heard of something called the grandfather paradox? Or you are just ignorant with the basic nuances involved in time travel in fiction in general.
Urm changing the timeline doesn't change how Old people are. Especially when your going back to the Origins Wolverine time period anyway.
Jeez!
Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, it's not. Being a flop doesn't mean its written out of canon, when nothing even remotely close to it was showcased in the movie itself. Not to mention how stupid it is to claim that it was a failure, when it was actually a box office success.
I'm guessing the fact that it was a stupid story hated by fans and critics alike, and one that would stifle creativity going forward in that time period, were all factors in replacing Striker to clearly deem Origins Wolverine Non-Canon.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Unlike you, I actually use objectivity and an open mind when looking at all pieces of evidence, instead of being selective. Sorry, but the motive behind your pick and choose desperate attempts to render Origins non-canon are obnoxiously apparent here. In the future, try to be a little less transparent.
Yeah you just keep crying about the new Striker clearly rendering the Origins one Non-Canon.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Apocalypse takes place in the altered timeline, silly goose. The timeline altered certain events, it didn't alter Wolverine's powerset and character.Again, time travel. Read it up.
Again Time Travel isn't going to change everyone's ages. Especially not the people who were already born in 1973.
Jeez!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You've done nothing except ignore blatant in your face evidence and went off on a tangent about something completely different. The argument of a guy who knows he's wrong but is deperately trying to save face I'd say 😂HAHAHAHA So your just going to completely ignore the creators of the Franchise and stick with your own BS instead?
Great 👆
But before you do that just think about this.. Who exactly is going to outright tell us that Origins Wolverine is no longer Canon apart from the Creators of the franchise?
TRY USING YOUR HEAD.
And what the hell does any of this have to do with the canonicity of X-Men The Last Stand or X-Men Origins Wolverine? Please explain without ignoring the point and going off on another pointless and desperate tangent. Because the Cuban Missile Crisis reference is referring to the events of First Class as it took place in the 60's.
X3 did not take place even close to the 60's LOL.
Oh Really? Here you go. This was just on the last page. Talk about drawing convenient blanks over my posts.
Urmmm what? She told us in that interview to just forget about those 2 films. If there's a certain event from the film that they want to reference or want us to remember, then it's just that, a singular event.
There is evidence like that to show X3 has still taken place which is why I specifically stated that X3's canonicity is in question, and not that it is entirely rendered non-canon.
But fact is that between First Class and DOFP they have completely contradicted that movie time and time again, really not giving a crap what was shown - Patrick Stewart Xavier walking to get Jean whilst using his telepathy? And still best pals with Magneto?
Origins has however been completely rendered Non-Canon and there are several pieces of evidence for that. Not 1 scene of that shown in Wolverine's memories, The older Striker shown is only the one from X2. And most of all Striker is 20 years younger than he should be. There's just no getting around that no matter how much you want to.
LOL The fact that this was a scene right at the very end of the credits(not even mid-credits) which 99% of your General Audience haven't seen, the fact that even that scene didn't explain much in terms of how is that body exactly like Xavier's and in a wheel chair as well, and the fact that DOFP chose to ignore all those explanations means they really don't care about the events or canonicity of that movie, and really just want us to forget it ever happened.
I've already told you about the reason for referencing that scene from X3, but you seem to keep drawing blanks when someone is making complete sense. The last Wolverine film is complete canon, and Wolverine stabbing Jean was a big part of that movie, so they had to show Logan's shock at the end of DOFP at seeing Jean alive.
Origins wasn't referenced. Striker was purposefully a completely different and much younger actor. That was obviously to Retcon Origins 😂
HAHA DOFP takes place in 1973! How did you miss that?
And the new actor is actually 20 years younger than the one used in Wolverine at that time : )
Urm changing the timeline doesn't change how Old people are. Especially when your going back to the Origins Wolverine time period anyway.
Jeez!
I'm guessing the fact that it was a stupid story hated by fans and critics alike, and one that would stifle creativity going forward in that time period, were all factors in replacing Striker to clearly deem Origins Wolverine Non-Canon.
Yeah you just keep crying about the new Striker clearly rendering the Origins one Non-Canon.
Again Time Travel isn't going to change everyone's ages. Especially not the people who were already born in 1973.
Jeez!
This is a horrible debate and have zero accurate info.