Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You've done nothing except ignore blatant in your face evidence and went off on a tangent about something completely different. The argument of a guy who knows he's wrong but is deperately trying to save face I'd say 😂
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
HAHAHAHA So your just going to completely ignore the creators of the Franchise and stick with your own BS instead?Great 👆
But before you do that just think about this.. Who exactly is going to outright tell us that Origins Wolverine is no longer Canon apart from the Creators of the franchise?
TRY USING YOUR HEAD.
Except they haven't said any such thing explicitly. Moreover the film clearly portrays scenes from at least 2 of the movies they claimed were irrelevant, and follows according to said movies' timelines before the time travel alteration took full effect.
That sounds like a painful form of role-play. I presume you meant try using your brain? In which case, you need to lead by example.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And what the hell does any of this have to do with the canonicity of X-Men The Last Stand or X-Men Origins Wolverine? Please explain without ignoring the point and going off on another pointless and desperate tangent. Because the Cuban Missile Crisis reference is referring to the events of First Class as it took place in the 60's.X3 did not take place even close to the 60's LOL.
Of course it didn't. Last Stand took place in the modern age, which is far removed from the Cuban Missile Crisis. Which somehow is a flaw in its timeline portrayal how exactly?
Unless of course you're confusing X3 to be First Class, instead of Last Stand. In which case you're n even bigger buffoon than I originally anticipated you to be.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh Really? Here you go. This was just on the last page. Talk about drawing convenient blanks over my posts.
As I explained it to you before, and as it clearly seems to have went right over your head, both the Magneto and Xavier instances were addressed in Last Stand itself. Eric was beginning to show signs of regaining his powers at the end of the movie(the chessboard scene, though it'll be interesting to see what sort of mental gymnastics you employ to twist around this piece of onscreen evidence), and Xavier had transferred his mind into a braindead body.
This isn't me drawing convenient blanks over your posts, this is you being too much of a moron to actually read a post in its entirety and understand that every single one of your insignificant points has been thoroughly addressed, countered and/or broken down into the worthless pile of bullshit that they are.👆
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urmmm what? She told us in that interview to just forget about those 2 films. If there's a certain event from the film that they want to reference or want us to remember, then it's just that, a singular event.
No, you insufferable goon. In you interview she tells us to forget about those movies. She doesn't say "forget about those movies except for a few convenient scenes here and there which we feature in a flashback sequence". If the flashback features any of the scenes from other X-films, that means those X-films are still part of the X-Men's cinematic universe. They haven't been magically erased from the movie canon because you are too butthurt to accept what the film shows us and take an EP's word over onscreen evidence.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There is evidence like that to show X3 has still taken place which is why I specifically stated that X3's canonicity is in question, and not that it is entirely rendered non-canon.
Since the movie directly contradicts her claims regarding both First Class and Last Stand, it is convenient to dismiss using her words as some sort of gospel to highlight (inexistent) non-canonicity of these films.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But fact is that between First Class and DOFP they have completely contradicted that movie time and time again, really not giving a crap what was shown - Patrick Stewart Xavier walking to get Jean whilst using his telepathy? And still best pals with Magneto?
He was talking to Jean in that alternate timeline created by Logan. 😂 You can't even notice the most basic of things.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Origins has however been completely rendered Non-Canon and there are several pieces of evidence for that. Not 1 scene of that shown in Wolverine's memories, The older Striker shown is only the one from X2. And most of all Striker is 20 years younger than he should be. There's just no getting around that no matter how much you want to.
Nothing, and by that I mean absolutely nothing, in any way whatsoever indicates that Origins isn't part of the X-movieverse anymore.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL The fact that this was a scene right at the very end of the credits(not even mid-credits) which 99% of your General Audience haven't seen, the fact that even that scene didn't explain much in terms of how is that body exactly like Xavier's and in a wheel chair as well, and the fact that DOFP chose to ignore all those explanations means they really don't care about the events or canonicity of that movie, and really just want us to forget it ever happened.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I've already told you about the reason for referencing that scene from X3, but you seem to keep drawing blanks when someone is making complete sense. The last Wolverine film is complete canon, and Wolverine stabbing Jean was a big part of that movie, so they had to show Logan's shock at the end of DOFP at seeing Jean alive.
The last Wolverine film is The Wolverine. Try to keep up.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Origins wasn't referenced. Striker was purposefully a completely different and much younger actor. That was obviously to Retcon Origins 😂
Though while you're at this monkey dance, you can go ahead and try to explain Stryker' ageless in Origins since the actor remained the same despite gaps of several decades.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
HAHA DOFP takes place in 1973! How did you miss that?
Or is this another dumb non-sequiter like the one where you tried to disprove the Cuban Missile Crisis' reference by showing us how DoFP's past settings and First Class were ten years apart? Which actually didn't prove anything to anyone mind you, apart from the fact that you like to make silly non-sequiters and act like you made a worthwhile point.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And the new actor is actually 20 years younger than the one used in Wolverine at that time : )
*contd... in the next post*
*contd.. from previous post*
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urm changing the timeline doesn't change how Old people are. Especially when your going back to the Origins Wolverine time period anyway.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Jeez!
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm guessing the fact that it was a stupid story hated by fans and critics alike, and one that would stifle creativity going forward in that time period, were all factors in replacing Striker to clearly deem Origins Wolverine Non-Canon.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah you just keep crying about the new Striker clearly rendering the Origins one Non-Canon.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Again Time Travel isn't going to change everyone's ages. Especially not the people who were already born in 1973.Jeez!
Which is a concept clearly well beyond your ability to grasp. 👆
That and the ability to avoid creating such huge gaps between each paragraph of you posts, apparently.
Originally posted by EpicurusOf course it didn't. Last Stand took place in the modern age, which is far removed from the Cuban Missile Crisis. Which somehow is a flaw in its timeline portrayal how exactly?
Unless of course you're confusing X3 to be First Class, instead of Last Stand. In which case you're n even bigger buffoon than I originally anticipated you to be.
Urm.. It was you who confused the two. I've not gone completely insane yet. You have. This is what you said:
Originally posted by EpicurusLol, what she says is one thing, what the movie directly tells us is another. For one, the events of the Last Stand are still very much canon, as evidenced by the fact that Cuban missile crisis is referenced, which, guess what, took place in Last Stand.🙂
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Ring a bell? Going to get some help yet? I advise you do so.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Since the movie directly contradicts her claims regarding both First Class and Last Stand, it is convenient to dismiss using her words as some sort of gospel to highlight (inexistent) non-canonicity of these films.They have done nothing of the sort. The Xavier-CIA connection is references, the Cuban Missile Crisis is referenced, Azazel and the other mutants featured in First Class are referenced as well(one of Trask's test subjects).
She never made any reference that First Class was non-canon. What kind of crack are you on? Of course First Class is Canon! In fact it's the only movie that's canon in both timelines.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Completely and utterly false. They did show his adamantium transformation in his memories.
All things that were shown in his flashbacks from X1 and X2.
Originally posted by Epicurus
They also went to great lengths to portray him having bone claws in that era, which is what that was supposed to be in Origins instead of adamantium claws.
Because the Bone Claws were reestablished in The Wolverine which is definitely canon.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, Stryker isn't young, he's recast. He also has more of a facial similarity with the Origins Stryker than X-2 Stryker.
LOL He's 20 years young than the other guy was in the same time period. You can check the age of the actors yourself, but your common sense should tell you there's a visible Age difference of at least 15 years.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Nothing, and by that I mean absolutely nothing, in any way whatsoever indicates that Origins isn't part of the X-movieverse anymore.
Striker's Age.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Lol, so now a scene being canon to movies depends on whether it's viewed by general audiences or not? What sort of crack are you on? Who cares how and why Xavier managed to get back into a body identical to his previous one. The point of contention here was you stupidly and stubbornly claiming that DoFP doesn't explain how Xavier came back to life, and me shining a light on your ignorance by pointing out that Last Stand itself does that.
Neither movie explains how he's in an identical body. You have to turn to the Last Stand commentary from the Director on that. But oh wait... We're going to ignore what the creators of the films say right?
Originally posted by Epicurus
Stryker was recast. 😂 And despite that he still had facial similarity to Origins Stryker.
LOL At similar facial structure. The guy is 15- 20 years younger. If they had any intention of staying true to Origins they would have used the same actor (I doubt he has a busy schedule), or at least an actor of the same age LOL
Originally posted by Epicurus
Though while you're at this monkey dance, you can go ahead and try to explain Stryker' ageless in Origins since the actor remained the same despite gaps of several decades.
WTF? Seven years is now several decades? LOL You need help.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Or is this another dumb non-sequiter like the one where you tried to disprove the Cuban Missile Crisis' reference by showing us how DoFP's past settings and First Class were ten years apart? Which actually didn't prove anything to anyone mind you, apart from the fact that you like to make silly non-sequiters and act like you made a worthwhile point.
What? Are you even capable of reading? Quote me where I've tried to disprove the Cuban missile crisis reference, or concede that you have severe comprehension and learning difficulties.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I am guessing you haven't heard of something known as actor recasting.
Yeah, when are you going to get that the guy recast is visually and quite obviously 15-20 years younger.
Originally posted by Epicurus
*contd.. from previous post*WTF are you talking about here now? Stryker in Origins seemed more or less identical in both the Vietnam War era and the modern era. Go ahead and make an argument for Stryker being an ageless mutant while you're are at it.
LOL It was 7 years later you Moron.
Now I really can't be bothered continuing this with a guy who clearly has basic Comprehension and Learning difficulties. But just to be clear this Pages long debate started because I said this:
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Doubt it. Looks like Singer is ignoring Origins Wolverine in the new canon.
Just because I doubted something the Wolverine fanboy got upset and jumped me and harassed me for the last few pages.
Fact is it might not be the whole film that's retconned, it could just be the time frame of Origins. Instead of Logan and Victor meeting Stryker in the Vietnam war, perhaps that's retconned to be a completely different skirmish where Stryker met them both in the early 80's. It would make more sense with the fact that only 7 years later Xavier looked like Patrick Stewart already and with Cyclops age at that same point. However with the next film showing a similar aged Cyclops in the early 80's that probably won't make a whole lot of sense either.
What I'm pointing out is though the fact that Stryker was purposefully recast to be a lot younger, and the fact that the Origins Striker was never shown in the flashbacks only the X2 Striker. and the fact that the creators of the franchise clearly want us to forget Origins Wolverine, it seems clear to me that Singer just wanted to completely ignore Origins Wolverine. BUt I'll concede that perhaps the timeframe of Origins is all that's been retconned or that maybe it's Striker's age that has been retconned. Until officially stated, I won't carry this on (Anything to get me out of this GOD AWFUL conversation.)
But to pretend that the New Stryker and the Origins one are playing the same character at around the same age, when there's clearly a 15-20 year age gap between them is frankly quite stupid.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How was it explained that Xavier First Class... was paralyzed at quite a young age... Yet... in Wolverine: Origins.. He was shown standing and walking as if he wasn't. Does that make one of then non canon?
Well to be fair that could have been a mental projection (in both Origins Wolverine and the prequel scene in The Last Stand).
In DOFP he is seen standing talking to Mystique when he's actually in his wheelchair.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It could be I suppose... they never said anything like that though which is why I ask
I know because First Class clearly ignored those scenes to make a better movie. But like I pointed out, that could be a simple explanation for that scene, especially since Charles makes those kind of mental projections in DOFP.