Originally posted by RobtardI didn't say he stops time but that is what it looks like when he is doing this speed thing.
😂 Did you even watch DoFP, or are you youtube debating again? Seems the later.Facts: QS doesn't actually stop or slow time, he moves so quickly that time is slowed from his perspective. In this fight, Superman's muscles would still be moving at normal speed, just incredibly slow from QS's point of view.
They weren't moving at all to oppose anything. By his speed they would be at a standstill to the naked eye and not actually contracting fast enough to resist anything.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I understand what your saying though, Superman has lots of attacks. What I'm saying is that Quicksilver is too fast to be hit by any of Supes attacks.
Schweet. Fair enough. That's why I'm giving the win to Supes. Apart from running away I can't see QS doing anything to Supes, but if I can think of attacks like setting the room on fire with napalm while tossing handfuls of grenades around while flying through walls and collapsing the building, or filling the room with tear gas/sleeping gas/pepper spray, or dropping a canister of nitrogen, all of which QS has to try to avoid while Supes waits for him to trip or slip or get exhausted, then I'm sure he can, too.
So far the only attack that has been proposed is that QS try to hit Supes with his own hand, which might actually work, since Supes will be laughing so hard that he might eventually run out of breath and faint. 😛
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaHe isn't fast enough to know what's up. He also was to fast enough to stop the humans from attacking or saving anyone. That is child's play to QS.
He doesn't have to contract and even if he did, Supes has shown enough reaction time to at least lead me to believe that Supes would know something's up.And how would he do this especially if Supes is stationary?
Supes wasn't KO'd by other Kryptonians or the World Engine weakening him. Why would QS be any different.
He can manipulate Superman and let let him react thereby hurting himself
Not being ko'd when you can see or prepare for the attacks isn't the same as being Cheapshotted or unprepared for every punch thrown his way. It also doesn't mean he can't be ko'd when we see a tower do so prior to the end.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't fast enough to know what's up. He also was to fast enough to stop the humans from attacking or saving anyone. That is child's play to QS.He can manipulate Superman and let let him react thereby hurting himself
Not being ko'd when you can see or prepare for the attacks isn't the same as being Cheapshotted or unprepared for every punch thrown his way. It also doesn't mean he can't be ko'd when we see a tower do so prior to the end.
The flights feats along with his final fight with Zod disagree with this statement.
Exactly how would that hurt considering he's tanked hits from other Kryptonians. That and he has the strength to outright resist QS.
Now...you've gone back to low-balling. If he wasn't KO'd by flying through the World Engine or tanking a train, why would QS attacks be any different?
Originally posted by DreampantherRegistering ten years ago while not being here to know pretty much anyone or have an impact makes you a noob. Ten years and practically a ghost. That's far worse IMO.
He he he. Calling me names just makes you sound like a little kid stamping his feet, crying and throwing a tantrum because he's losing an argument. 😆* As for the noob comment: I've been on this forum on and off for ten years - how long have you been here?
* As for your argument about Superman being frozen: The people QS are fighting seem frozen in comparison to him because he is moving so much faster than them. But they are human. Superman, you seem to conveniently forget, is also moving much faster than human.
* As for QS moving the humans' arms: The reason QS can move their arms is because he is using normal human strength to move normal human limbs. Superman is much, much stronger than humans, or QS, with much denser muscle mass, as proved by his invulnerability.
QS can't hit Supes with anything heavy enough to hurt him, because he can't lift anything heavy enough. Supes can stomp the ground, fly around in circles and create a vortex, bring buildings down on top of them - hell, stand in the middle of a fire or an explosion and just laugh at QS. Or he can float over an ice pond and watch QS fall his ass off, then fly over and slap him silly.
There is not a single thing QS can do to Superman besides stamp his feet and pout, like a cheetah against a lion. He can't punch him, because he will crush every bone in his fist. If Superman is throwing a punch, he can't redirect Superman's punches, because Supes' muscles will be contracted and QS doesn't have enough strength to do anything about it. All he can do is try to get out of the way. If Supes is just standing there, not throwing punches because he's too busy laughing, and his muscles aren't contracted - then sure, QS can probably pick his arm up and slap Supes with his own hand. And then what?
See - basic physics and biology. 😉
Thanks for the laugh, though - I'm not sure what is funnier: Your insults, arguments or this fight... 😂
*Muscles have to contract to resist. It's like saying Superman can bench press without contracting his muscles. Common sense.
Superman never gets to do so due to QS's speed advantage. He looks like he is standing still while QS does his thing. Superman's weight is that of a human being. Acting like he weighs more without proof is well, stupidity. Superman can't do any if the things you named due to not having the time to do so.
QS can move Superman so he punches himself with his great strength over and over again. He can't resist since he is practically standing still to QS and his muscles can't contract to resist.
Ten years on here.
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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaFlying doesn't prove anything since human beings can react in jets but that doesn't mean their senses are greater.
The flights feats along with his final fight with Zod disagree with this statement.Exactly how would that hurt considering he's tanked hits from other Kryptonians. That and he has the strength to outright resist QS.
Now...you've gone back to low-balling. If he wasn't KO'd by flying through the World Engine or tanking a train, why would QS attacks be any different?
I just said so. He could see and react and they aren't him. He can't resist his own strength especially when he can't see it coming.
Superman's punches will ko him. They are greater and he can't see them coming unlike the other feats you mentioned.
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Originally posted by NemeBroSays the guy who responded to me. Hypocrisy.
You know now that there are other people here you guys don't have to respond to quan.
You can't get around the fact QS is far faster and can manipulate Supermans fists into punching himself over and over again without him seeing it coming.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Flying doesn't prove anything since human beings can react in jets but that doesn't mean their senses are greater.I just said so. He could see and react and they aren't him. He can't resist his own strength especially when he can't see it coming.
Superman's punches will ko him. They are greater and he can't see them coming unlike the other feats you mentioned.
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You're kidding right? Supes can resist people as strong as him and the World Engine while weakened yet can't resist his own strength? What the mess.
Why wouldn't he be able to see them coming? Even if he couldn't why wouldn't he be able to resist QS moving his arms or tank his own strength considering he's survived other stuff of similar magnitude?
Originally posted by NemeBro
You know now that there are other people here you guys don't have to respond to quan.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaThat doesn't matter since the point of their flight speed doesn't make their senses any greater. Neither does it for Superman.
I was referring to the flight speed in itself. Furthermore using the fighter jet analogy, "how many fighter pilots have been on records for making sharp turns at mach speeds in double digits?"You're kidding right? Supes can resist people as strong as him and the World Engine while weakened yet can't resist his own strength? What the mess.
Why wouldn't he be able to see them coming? Even if he couldn't why wouldn't he be able to resist QS moving his arms or tank his own strength considering he's survived other stuff of similar magnitude?
I'm off this week and I don't have a life 🙁
What being can tank their own blows for eternity ? What world do you live in ? He isn't immune to damage. He also won't see it to brace himself.
Due to the daft he doesn't have the senses to see QS altering his hand position just like the people in the room. I debate based off feats we see.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't matter since the point of their flight speed doesn't make their senses any greater. Neither does it for Superman.What being can tank their own blows for eternity ? What world do you live in ? He isn't immune to damage. He also won't see it to brace himself.
Due to the daft he doesn't have the senses to see QS altering his hand position just like the people in the room. I debate based off feats we see.
Supes being able to fly at those speed and have the reaction time to make sharp turns and fight at those speeds is legit.
He's shown the durability to tank stuff from those of similar strength to his own. Also QS doesn't have infinite stamina as your initial question would imply. Also QS would have no way of tagging Supes if he just flew a few feat in the air.
What's that based on. It already been proven in this thread that Supes has the reaction time to do just that. Even if he didn't Supes could just stand stationary for a bit and QS would have no answer to that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
QS can move Superman so he punches himself with his great strength over and over again. He can't resist since he is practically standing still to QS and his muscles can't contract to resist.Ten years on here.
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😆 Oh dear Buddha, you are hilarious. Too bad you don't understand physics or biology, but then that would refute your argument and you would stop posting, which would be a pity, as you are very entertaining.
*If Supes is punching then QS can't do anything to the punches except try to avoid them, as QS doesn't have superstrength and Supes does and his muscles are contracted.
*If Supes isn't punching then his muscles aren't contracted and QS might be able to use his arm to hit make him hit himself, but then he would be using his own strength, not Superman's - so what's the point? 😂
You are contradicting yourself with your own argument! Oh dear, basic biology and physics just isn't your strong suit, is it? Is this really the best argument you can come up with?
Ten years and I feel like every year it's the same story. I remember when the Wolverine vs Superman debate lasted something like 50+ pages before it got closed down, because some fanboys just couldn't let go of the fact that against Supes it was like watching a fox tackling a grizzly: Brave, but pointless.
However, by all means, don't let this discourage you! Keep on telling us how QS is going to to use Supes' own hand to hit him, like a ten-year old using the Rock's hand to beat the Rock unconscious. 🙄
Originally posted by DreampantherYou are the ignorant one here.
😆 Oh dear Buddha, you are hilarious. Too bad you don't understand physics or biology, but then that would refute your argument and you would stop posting, which would be a pity, as you are very entertaining.*If Supes is punching then QS can't do anything to the punches except try to avoid them, as QS doesn't have superstrength and Supes does and his muscles are contracted.
*If Supes isn't punching then his muscles aren't contracted and QS might be able to use his arm to hit make him hit himself, but then he would be using his own strength, not Superman's - so what's the point? 😂
You are contradicting yourself with your own argument! Oh dear, basic biology and physics just isn't your strong suit, is it? Is this really the best argument you can come up with?
Ten years and I feel like every year it's the same story. I remember when the Wolverine vs Superman debate lasted something like 50+ pages before it got closed down, because some fanboys just couldn't let go of the fact that against Supes it was like watching a fox tackling a grizzly: Brave, but pointless.
However, by all means, don't let this discourage you! Keep on telling us how QS is going to to use Supes' own hand to hit him, like a ten-year old using the Rock's hand to beat the Rock unconscious. 🙄
QS can help move his fist in the direction it is going but at Superman's face. It doesn't matter since they are contracting at a standstill rate.
He can obviously move around and perceive his actions and react after superman takes an offensive move and go from there. He will perceive Superman like a statue.
Watch the film. Learn how muscles contract and how the human body works.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are the ignorant one here.QS can help move his fist in the direction it is going but at Superman's face. It doesn't matter since they are contracting at a standstill rate.
He can obviously move around and perceive his actions and react after superman takes an offensive move and go from there. He will perceive Superman like a statue.
Watch the film. Learn how muscles contract and how the human body works.
Now, now, quanchilad, no need to get snippy just because I laughed at you a little bit - I thought we had moved beyond the stage where you pout and stamp your feet and call people names. 😛
I'm sorry I made fun of your argument but even you have to admit, once I pointed out how you are contradicting yourself, that it was quite funny. Ah well, maybe some day you will also learn to take yourself a little less seriously... 😄
Now let's look a little closer at how muscles and the body works, since you asked so nicely, and since, after all, I was the one who suggested that you brush up on your basic physics and biology.
Let's start with something easy. If you throw a simple punch, and a really fast mouse comes and tries to change the angle of your punch, what is going to happen?
Nothing. That's right, quanchilad, not a single thing. And why not? Because to the mouse, I am like Superman - I am super strong! That's right, quanchilad. The mouse might be faster. It might be able to avoid my heat vision and hide underneath the couch. But it sure as h-e-double-hockeysticks isn't going to make me punch me in my face.
And when it eventually gets tired and runs out of hiding places, I'm going to use it as a stuffed toy for my cat.
See? Basic physics and biology. You're welcome, quanchilad!
Originally posted by DreampantherStating your ignorance wasn't done out of meanness.
Now, now, quanchilad, no need to get snippy just because I laughed at you a little bit - I thought we had moved beyond the stage where you pout and stamp your feet and call people names. 😛I'm sorry I made fun of your argument but even you have to admit, once I pointed out how you are contradicting yourself, that it was quite funny. Ah well, maybe some day you will also learn to take yourself a little less seriously... 😄
Now let's look a little closer at how muscles and the body works, since you asked so nicely, and since, after all, I was the one who suggested that you brush up on your basic physics and biology.
Let's start with something easy. If you throw a simple punch, and a really fast mouse comes and tries to change the angle of your punch, what is going to happen?
Nothing. That's right, quanchilad, not a single thing. And why not? Because to the mouse, I am like Superman - I am super strong! That's right, quanchilad. The mouse might be faster. It might be able to avoid my heat vision and hide underneath the couch. But it sure as h-e-double-hockeysticks isn't going to make me punch me in my face.
And when it eventually gets tired and runs out of hiding places, I'm going to use it as a stuffed toy for my cat.
See? Basic physics and biology. You're welcome, quanchilad!
A mouse can't lift your arms to begin with so a horrible comparison.
I am taking a mutant whose weight can easily move a "frozen" arm.
Superman's weight is like a normal man so why can't he move his weight ? He can't move or anything due to the speed advantage. What's worse is he can go with the muscle contraction and angle it to hit Superman.
Best part is due to the speed advantage Superman can't ever hit him.
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Originally posted by Robtard
What unit of measure are you using to account for the time he was doing tomfoolery and not actually moving around?
Clearly, the unit of measure I am using is meters. I don't think you meant to ask this question. That or your question is malformed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Will have to wait for the youtube clips, but I'm fairly certain he was standing still when he adjusted the bullets.
That doesn't change my post, though:
Originally posted by dadudemon
But the estimate will much closer to correct than using a kilometer.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not being ko'd when you can see or prepare for the attacks isn't the same as being Cheapshotted or unprepared for every punch thrown his way. It also doesn't mean he can't be ko'd when we see a tower do so prior to the end.
Yeah...that's correct.
But I am pretty sure Zod punched Superman several times when he wasn't prepared for them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Clearly, the unit of measure I am using is meters. I don't think you meant to ask this question. That or your question is malformed.
What Robtard is saying there is how exactly are you measuring every time he stopped to put his goggles on, redirect a punch or shift things around. You can't possibly measure that in meters.
And how far are you assuming the bullets travelled in that time? Do you have a position of where they were at when he started moving, compared to a position of where they were when he stopped moving?
And how are you calculating Superman's speed? I hope it's not how far he flew up into space, and how much time that seemed to take for the viewer. Really you should measure how long it took him to run to Faora and punch her, and do a distance over time thing with that.