Originally posted by NemeBro
Faster than QS, actually.People can pull the flight speed debate all they want. That doesn't change the fact that Superman is over fifty times faster than QS is.
Fastest movement I recall is Faora blitzing the soldiers, which while fast, isn't what QS showed.
And the flight speed was likely due to MoS leaving Earth's orbit, when he was able to jet half way around the world so quickly.
One has to be flying very very fast to even leave Earth's atmosphere (mach 30 or some shit), and we see him do it and at no point does he lose speed when leaving and entering Earth.
And to do it he'd have still had to be going over fifty times faster than QS, lol.
People look at the stylistic slow-motion effects and suddenly he's "the fastest character we've ever seen on film" (No seriously, someone said this). When he's not even close.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't always agree with dadudemon, but when I do it's because he's definitely right. 👆By the way, you're better at science and shit than me and probably much less lazy, does the application of my math look all right? I mean, I know it's not even close to ****ing accurate for reasons already stated, but what do you think?
I think your math is correct but the distance you gave him is definitely waaaay too much. Maybe a tenth of that is how much he ran (100 meters).
Mach 30 isn't shit compared to what QS did in the Pentagon. It was like Clockstoppers style speed in which time was virtually at a halt.
I'm going to say stalemate here. QS can be faster than Superman, but there's nothing he can physically do to him. Theoretically he could do some kind of Flash-esque infinite mass punch, but the film never suggested such, so I won't go there. So unless QS uses the time stop to go get a Tsar Bomba or something, IDK what he can do here.
Stalemate
Originally posted by NemeBro
One has to be flying very very fast to even leave Earth's atmosphere (mach 30 or some shit), and we see him do it and at no point does he lose speed when leaving and entering Earth.And to do it he'd have still had to be going over fifty times faster than QS, lol.
People look at the stylistic slow-motion effects and suddenly he's "the fastest character we've ever seen on film" (No seriously, someone said this). When he's not even close.
We have the bullets as a point of reference. He casually farted around for close to 30 seconds doing stuff and those bullets were moving at less than a snail's crawl.
Only person possibly faster in films off the top of my head is The Beast from Kung Fu Hustle. Even then, he likely isn't comparing bullet to bullet feat.
You should read the rest of my posts Lestov. Mach 30? Lol. Try mach 9,000+.
Also, if DDM's estimate is accurate and the rest of my own hold up, and QS would have gone only 100 meters, guess what? He'd be mach 22. 👆
Originally posted by dadudemonThat's exactly the point though.
I think your math is correct but the distance you gave him is definitely waaaay too much. Maybe a tenth of that is how much he ran (100 meters).
QS is much slower than what I came up with, but that still doesn't come out as faster than Superman.
Originally posted by RobtardIt would have taken 0.013 seconds for the bullet to have reached home boy assuming it was a glock and they were only five meters away.
We have the bullets as a point of reference. He casually farted around for close to 30 seconds doing stuff and those bullets were moving at less than a snail's crawl.Only person possibly faster in films off the top of my head is The Beast from Kung Fu Hustle. Even then, he likely isn't comparing bullet to bullet feat.
Even assuming QS moved a ****ing kilometer in that time he'd be "only" mach 224. Not as fast as Superman.
The Beast? Nigga please.
Try Metro Man. Reeves Superman. Both are much faster.
Originally posted by RobtardNo my math is fine.
IIRC, at one point QS is somewhat standing still and doing stuff. I think towards the end when he casually redirects the bullets.So that estiemate based on "100 meters" wouldn't be a correct measure. ie your math be ****ed, son.
I decided to be a nice guy and use a kilometer.
Still slower than Superman. By a lot.
Superman wins!
Originally posted by NemeBro
It would have taken 0.013 seconds for the bullet to have reached home boy assuming it was a glock and they were only five meters away.
I forgot...the guns were plastic and the slugs ceramic. The slugs would travel more slowly because more energy would transfer to the plastic gun than in a more rigid material like steel. I don't know how much slower, though, because those guns don't exist (they do...but not like the ones on the film).
Originally posted by dadudemon
But the estimate will much closer to correct than using a kilometer.
What unit of measure are you using to account for the time he was doing tomfoolery and not actually moving around?
Only taking into account that he ran around that room in the time it took bullets to travel 15ish feet is short-selling what his powers actually showed. He did a lot more than just run around.
Will have to wait for the youtube clips, but I'm fairly certain he was standing still when he adjusted the bullets.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I forgot...the guns were plastic and the slugs ceramic. The slugs would travel more slowly because more energy would transfer to the plastic gun than in a more rigid material like steel. I don't know how much slower, though, because those guns don't exist (they do...but not like the ones on the film).
Correct, Plastic guns have a huge loss in speed and velocity to brass ammo. The powder has to be greatly reduced to make sure when the primer ignites, it doesn't blow up the cartridge/casing inside the gun.
Originally posted by dadudemonThat only makes QS even slower, lol.
I forgot...the guns were plastic and the slugs ceramic. The slugs would travel more slowly because more energy would transfer to the plastic gun than in a more rigid material like steel. I don't know how much slower, though, because those guns don't exist (they do...but not like the ones on the film).
I mean sure, he's pretty fast. Faster than most action characters. But the fastest in film? No. Not really no.
What bullshit calculations are you guys trying to make? Did you not see the movie? Time was at a near dead stop.
Okay I roll with this. I just saw DoFP on Sunday and just watched MoS yesterday, so please enlighten me on what Superman did in MoS, with a precise empirical numeric calculation, that outclasses the Clockstoppers speed QS did in the Pentagon.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Uhm, so he has superstrength but he can't stomp the ground? He has super speed and flight but he can't fly in circles? That's just silly.I specifically stayed away from heat vision and freezing breath because they weren't shown on screen, but saying he can't stomp the ground is like saying he can't bend a spoon between his fingers because we didn't see that, either. Super strength, logically, indicates super strength feats.
😛 Shrug. Anyway, whether you accept it or not, doesn't matter. I can think of a hundred other things he can do, also based on his feats in the movie - but I still can't think of anything QS can do except run away. 😉
Superman can no doubt hit the ground hard, but there are no screen feats to suggest he can use that as an attack. Superman can definitely fly in circles, but there are no screen feats to suggest he can create a vortex.
I understand what your saying though, Superman has lots of attacks. What I'm saying is that Quicksilver is too fast to be hit by any of Supes attacks.