Quicksilver vs (mos) superman

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What Robtard is saying there is how exactly are you measuring every time he stopped to put his goggles on, redirect a punch or shift things around. You can't possibly measure that in meters.

Yes you can.

It becomes an effective "0" meters traveled, good sir!

And since this is distance over time, you're missing another element: time. So it is both distance (meters) and time (seconds).

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And how far are you assuming the bullets travelled in that time? Do you have a position of where they were at when he started moving, compared to a position of where they were when he stopped moving?

There's not much assumption going on, at all. It was Nemebro's estimate, not mine. But his estimate is close enough that pedantry like yours and Robtard's does nothing to destroy his overall point.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And how are you calculating Superman's speed?

Read the thread. Don't ask questions that you can easily know the answer to. I read 10 pages of this thread before I posted again. You can do that same. Don't be lazy. 😐 That's a paddlin.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I hope it's not how far he flew up into space, and how much time that seemed to take for the viewer. Really you should measure how long it took him to run to Faora and punch her, and do a distance over time thing with that.

No thanks. We are going to stick to high-end feats. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes you can.

It becomes an effective "0" meters traveled, good sir!

This alone proves that any calculation involving meters are severely underestimating Quicksilver's speed. Have to agree with Robtard on this one.

Not to mention Flight Speed and Running speed are 2 completely different things anyway. I've just had this argument in another thread. But there's a reason Superman and the Flash would always have a "Running" race in comics to see whose faster. Superman was never allowed to fly in those races. Because that wouldn't be a fair comparison of who is actually faster.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...that's correct.

But I am pretty sure Zod punched Superman several times when he wasn't prepared for them.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Supes being able to fly at those speed and have the reaction time to make sharp turns and fight at those speeds is legit.

He's shown the durability to tank stuff from those of similar strength to his own. Also QS doesn't have infinite stamina as your initial question would imply. Also QS would have no way of tagging Supes if he just flew a few feat in the air.

What's that based on. It already been proven in this thread that Supes has the reaction time to do just that. Even if he didn't Supes could just stand stationary for a bit and QS would have no answer to that.

We don't see QS tire. A few seconds for him is all he needs at the time he reacts to crush Superman.

No, he doesn't. Superman didn't have the speed to stop or save anyone like QS. It isn't even close and your horrible logic means fighter jet pilots have super senses. Awful.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. It's like using running speed and correlating that to fighting speed and the ability to react. Completely different. Fighter pilots can make sharp turns as well. 😂

We don't see QS tire. A few seconds for him is all he needs at the time he reacts to crush Superman.

No, he doesn't. Superman didn't have the speed to stop or save anyone like QS. It isn't even close and your horrible logic means fighter jet pilots have super senses. Awful.

Thing is Supes has been shown to both travel and fight at high speeds. Again when have there been fighter pilots making sharp turns and flight maneuvers at mach double digit speed?

And yet Supes is supposed to get tired based on? Oh and QS not tiring or having the ability to get tired is a "no-limit fallacy" that you have to prove.

Still haven't covered how QS is supposed to budge a stationary Superman.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Thing is Supes has been shown to both travel and fight at high speeds. Again when have there been fighter pilots making sharp turns and flight maneuvers at mach double digit speed?

And yet Supes is supposed to get tired based on? Oh and QS not tiring or having the ability to get tired is a "no-limit fallacy" that you have to prove.

Still haven't covered how QS is supposed to budge a stationary Superman.

He knocks himself out.

If Supermans muscles can't contract he can't resist. You obviously don't lift weights, muppetbaby.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can fight nowhere near as fast as he can fly. It's silly. Fighter pilots make sharp turns far faster than than can move thus saying by your logic they have supersenses.

He knocks himself out.

If Supermans muscles can't contract he can't resist. You obviously don't lift weights, muppetbaby.

He fought Zod through Metropolis and through space. BTW 11 km/s or Mach 30 is escape velocity in case you were wondering.

Still have to give a reason why I should believe QS isn't supposed to get tired. But lets say that he doesn't, how is this going to tire out Supes?

Doesn't cover how QS is supposed to budge a stationary Supes. You're judging Supes like he's a normal human and he's not.

No, no, no, you're all misunderstanding quanchilad. See, according to him QS not unly has superspeed, but superstrength and invulnerability as well. It's quite simple, really, see, because while QS is on fire, he will quite simply lift up Supes' hand and knock him into orbit with it! Ta da!

You can try this yourself at home, and see it's true. First, find somebody who is much bigger and stronger than you, but make sure you can beat them in a 100 meter dash. Then set a room on fire and run around in the room very fast. Meanwhile, make sure your opponent is wearing fire-proof clothing and then, while your hair is on fire, take your opponent's hand and knock him out with it!

You will be able to do this easy, as he will be standing there holding his sides and trying not to collapse in helpless laughter.

Combat speed doesn't equal flight speed.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
He fought Zod through Metropolis and through space. BTW 11 km/s or Mach 30 is escape velocity in case you were wondering.

Still have to give a reason why I should believe QS isn't supposed to get tired. But lets say that he doesn't, how is this going to tire out Supes?

Doesn't cover how QS is supposed to budge a stationary Supes. You're judging Supes like he's a normal human and he's not.

So, wakka, if I take escape velocity as a base speed, which is 11,2 km / second, that means he covers 11 200 meters per second. The muzzle velocity of a 9mm pistol is somewhere between 300 and 400 meters per second, which means Supes is about 30 to 35 times faster than a bullet. Does that seem about right to you?

Hell, it seems I owe you an apology - I kind of ignored the speed thing, just assumed QS was faster, because I was too lazy to do the calculations. But actually, they are so close in speed that instead of QS lazing around while Supes seem to be standing still, QS is going to be fighting for his life!

Who knew my teacher was right - I would find maths useful some day! 😂

My hat off to you, sir - instead of Supes struggling to hit QS, he's simply going to crush him and then fly off to do the funky monkey with Wonder Woman 😛

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
He fought Zod through Metropolis and through space. BTW 11 km/s or Mach 30 is escape velocity in case you were wondering.

Still have to give a reason why I should believe QS isn't supposed to get tired. But lets say that he doesn't, how is this going to tire out Supes?

Doesn't cover how QS is supposed to budge a stationary Supes. You're judging Supes like he's a normal human and he's not.

When do we see him tire ? Why does he get tired and Superman doesn't. We don't see either tire so give me a good reason.

His muscles aren't contracting so he can't resist.

Ps. This fight has no setting or circumstances. This needs to changed at once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ps. This fight has no setting or circumstances. This needs to changed at once.

And a poll added.

Originally posted by Dreampanther
So, wakka, if I take escape velocity as a base speed, which is 11,2 km / second, that means he covers 11 200 meters per second. The muzzle velocity of a 9mm pistol is somewhere between 300 and 400 meters per second, which means Supes is about 30 to 35 times faster than a bullet. Does that seem about right to you?

Hell, it seems I owe you an apology - I kind of ignored the speed thing, just assumed QS was faster, because I was too lazy to do the calculations. But actually, they are so close in speed that instead of QS lazing around while Supes seem to be standing still, QS is going to be fighting for his life!

Who knew my teacher was right - I would find maths useful some day! 😂

My hat off to you, sir - instead of Supes struggling to hit QS, he's simply going to crush him and then fly off to do the funky monkey with Wonder Woman 😛

You can't do proper calculations and are ignoring what the characters are doing. Flight speed is different than combat speed. Someone running can't fight at running speeds. Its stupid.

This thread has no setting though so we don't know where they are so Superman might be powerless since his powers depend on a young star.

Bullets are fired in this clip from 16 seconds in to 18 seconds taking around 2 seconds to clear the distance to Superman. He barely avoids it despite staring right at it. Compare this to QS running laps and giving wedgies in far less than a second and here's the comparison to combat speed. Distance from the bullet to QS was much closer as well totally stomping Kal and the other bigger one actually getting hit by this multi second attack. 2 seconds and Kal barely got away. Awful. Math. Evidence. I win.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ets2KtNYiis

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
This alone proves that any calculation involving meters are severely underestimating Quicksilver's speed. Have to agree with Robtard on this one.

Naturally.

QS is being lowballed.

I can't believe people still try and equate flying speed with reaction/combat speed.

Actually, Quanchi me lad, if you had bothered to examine the argument instead of being so quick to insult and attack the people who debate with you, you would have realised that I never claimed Supes was faster or, in fact, as fast as QS. I just proved that they are much closer in speed than I first assumed, because I was too lazy to do the calculations. 😛

The sad thing is you seem really passionate about debating, but as any kid learns in a debating society, when you attack your opponent instead of the argument, you not only lose the argument, but also the respect of your opponent. Which is a pity, as I think most people join these forums because they enjoy debating and arguing, but very few people enjoy having their opponents stamping their feet and petulantly throwing insults around.

Your argument seems to consist solely of: QS is goingbto take Supes hand while Supes muscles aren't contracted (ie before he starts throwing a punch) and this will enable him to win the fight. This is plainly ridiculous, as any child will find out if they take their dad's hand while he is sleeping and tries to knock him out. When the dad wakes up, even if the kid is faster than him, he is just going to wait until he gets tired and then show him what getting slapped really feels like. Or corner the kid somewhere where he doesn't have room to use his speed. But the kid is definitely not going to win the fight.

You still haven't stated what QS is going to do if Supes chooses to float a few meters above the ground. Or set the room on fire that they are fighting in.

As for moving the fight somewhere Supes is powerless - well hell, yeah, why not cover him in Kryptonite too? Because that isbquite simply the only way QS will be able to hurt him. 😆

Sigh.

How the hell does this get to 16 pages?

People are debating DoFP who clearly haven't seen it

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again travel speed isn't combat speed. I already told you why.

When do we see him tire ? Why does he get tired and Superman doesn't. We don't see either tire so give me a good reason.

His muscles aren't contracting so he can't resist.

Ps. This fight has no setting or circumstances. This needs to changed at once.

You tell me. You're the only who brought up the notion that Supes couldn't keep taking hits. Why should I or anyone here believe that?

Again you're judging Supes based off of a normal human which he is not. Even if what you're saying was possible, it wouldn't KO Superman since, as you yourself said, Supes hasn't shown signs of tiring out.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Sigh.

How the hell does this get to 16 pages?