Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I feel the bigger issue here is why Neph called you "honey". 😬
The **** *****, your married to ****ing me, not LeGenD. Fat ass.
Actually I recall something:
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He is mine. Weapon. Slave. Servant. And he will obey.
And your failure afterwards:
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Excuse yourself, but we are legally married.
Now, please leave my presence as Neph and I have "business" to attend to.
*opens door to bedroom*
Originally posted by Nephthys
*falls asleep*
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*slowly begins to kiss sleeping Neph*
Originally posted by Nephthys
*snores*
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
*slips off Neph's panties*
Originally posted by Nephthys
*kicks Ant in his sleep**also sleeptalks to remind Ant the importance of consent*
Summary:
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
wow ant, you can barely arouse your own waifu 😂
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In the nutshell:
An infantile display, Tol Braga DarthAnt66. Reckless pride limned by self-righteousness. You are master of nothing.
Ant, you're making pointless [/b]'s in your replies. They're annoying to delete. Be more careful with formatting.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What other attacks are you suggesting? We have no clue what other attacks she can use on him.
Any attack you suggest would honestly be fan-fiction. I get where you are going at Neph, but it honestly doesn't work.
Just concede on the matter and save yourself the time and strain.
Force blast? Attacks that other, lesser sorcerers have demonstrated. Especially attacks by Ommin and Aleema, both of whom are less powerful sorcerers than Zannah and got their knowledge from the same source as Zannah. I already gave you examples.
It isn't fan fiction to suggest that she can perform attacks other have who have the same source of knowledge she does and a lesser grasp of the Force.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Unleashing a primal scream, he channeled his terror into pure rage and lashed out with the dark side."
―Darth Bane: Dynasty of EvilNo. He transform his scream into a "burst of wearing violet light" by channeling "his terror into pure rage".
His... scream was a burst of light? Are you... on the drugs Ant?
No, he screamed and THEN he unleashed the darkside. There's a difference between sound and light you know, lmao.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Rain stirred in her sleep, yet didn't wake. Someone was calling to her, but she didn't want to answer. In her dreams she could imagine she was still back home with her cousins, enjoying a simple but happy life. If she woke, she knew she'd have to face the truth: that life was gone forever.Wake, Rain . . .
[irrelevant text]
Laa! Laa had saved her, and it was Laa who was calling to her now. Slowly she opened her eyes and sat up, still groggy.
Rain slept long. Now Rain must wake.
[irrelevant text]
Rain frowned, trying to figure out exactly what Laa was trying to tell her. Sometimes when the bouncers talked about dreams they actually meant something else. Sometimes it was as if the bouncers had visions of the future. She remembered what Laa had said just before the entire forest had exploded in flames: Bad dreams, Rain. Death dreams.
The fires had killed most of the other bouncers. The survivors had all gone mad. All except Laa. Somehow Rain had saved her. She'd used the Force, shielding them both from the burning death and destruction, though she wasn't quite sure how she'd done it. It had just sort of .. . happened. Now she and Laa had nobody left but each other."
―Darth Bane: Path of Destruction
Ant.... That scene takes place after the Thought Bomb, well after the Force Storm. You know, people tend to fall asleep more than once. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
All text in red supports my stance that Rain was asleep. The text in blue supports my stance she did it instinctively.
The blue however does not affect my theory Rain was asleep: As the comic goes, Rain *asks* Laa if she completed the feat. By this point, she would have known she used the Force to do it. The fact she does not doesn't mean she wasn't asleep.
Your response in the "The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy" was your only effort to try to contradict my sleeping claim, everything else was just you rambling about it with no support.
The fact that Laa spoke to Rain "just before" the storm proves that Rain was awake.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This actually happens in the comic Star Wars: Jedi vs Sith 3. Below is the scan:
snip
Laa tells Rain about the storm *before* it even begins. All Laa tells her is "Bad dreams, Rain. Death dreams."
Rain has no knowledge on when it is going to happen. And, due to the fact that Laa was the one to save her from death.
Rain had no reasons to stay awake, Laa protected her before, and will protect her again.
Laa told her about it "just before". Do I need to post the definition of "just before" for you? I would assume you'd know it but some of these arguments are making me seriously doubt your mental abilities. :I
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We don't see Rain then until well in the following day. Look at the environmental difference in the below scan:snip
They covered an insane amount of ground. I understand why you are in awe over how I am suggesting Rain fell asleep, but it is supported.
The explosions occurred during late in night, that much is canonical.
In early morning, Kaan and friends stop the ritual, and prepare to hunt the survivors.
Below is a picture of the star in the sky during the hunt, and a depiction of how the Sun works. Ruusan has 23 hours.snip
snipBased on the pictures, it should be no later then 9. Probably 8:30am (being generous).
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By this point, Rain *still* does not know about the feat she performed in the *night*.
[b]Only logical answer is to assume she been asleep ever since.
The fact that Rain knows that the forest exploded into flames proves she was awake, as does her talking to Laa right before the attack. It's more logical to think that Rain just huddled under the Force Bubble all night since you say it only stopped in the morning right before the above scene.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I hate to quote Wookieepedia, but I feel 8+ years of people know more knowledge about it then us.
"Due to the extreme concentration needed to sustain the bubble however, the user would have to be momentarily immobile in order to enact the bubble, and sometimes, completely stationary in order to sustain it."
Realistically, Revan will not give her such time.
Even assuming this isn't true, and we ignore this, let us think logically here.
Zannah can't shield herself in a bubble the entire fight. If she would, she would have already.
I don't understand, the person needing to stand still doesn't suggest it takes a long time to use, just that it needs concentration to maintain. People have created Bubbles to block explosions. The Barsen'thor created one instantly to block the First Son's lightsaber. It doesn't take a long time to pull one up. Also since Zannah had just a large amount of power and command of the Force to form and maintain a Force Bubble subconsciously, I'd think it would take her less effort than others.
Revan can't spam lightning the entire fight. She can just sit under the Bubble until he stops. She was evidently able to use it to block the Force Storm until morning, so unless Revan can spam lightning for hours on end, I think she's fine.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except the text doesn't specifically say that it is the sheer power of Darth Bane's lightning that is forcing Zannah to not throw up anything else, but rather that the "bolts of dark side lightning" in general.
It doesn't need to be specifically said. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. Its a canon FACT that Force barriers and bubbles CAN block lightning. That Zannah didn't use those against Bane only proves it wouldn't be effective against lightning as powerful as his.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If Bane was using his Force Sense, he would have knew Zannah was near and would have prepared. He didn't. Not even close.
That was MY point. So Zannah obviously only got near him recently. Thanks for agreeing with me. 😉
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not necessarily. You feel what I'm saying is ridiculous, but it's not.
If it's instinctual, he has no control over it at all. It just...happens.
However, you personally said he transformed his offensive telekinetic energy into a Force barrier instinctively.
If that is true, he wouldn't have to have "called upon on the Force", for he would already have the energy needed.
He said he was gathering his power, if he was instinctively using the Force he'd still draw on that power. If I wind up a big punch then instinctively lash out at the first thing in front of me, I'd still be using that big wind up. He doesn't need to transfer any energy, it's all still flowing through the same conduit for the Force: Bane himself.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If you are suggesting then that Revan formed his *own* Force barrier on a caliber where he withstands an attack of that much power, then just concede on the entire telekinetic debate. 😮💨 Your choice.
Lolwtf? Go home Ant, you're drunk.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
But....she didn't. So she seemingly can't.
Then again, what relevance does this have against Revan?
Proof of absence isn't absence of proof. Sidious didn't use telepathy on Yoda, that doesn't mean he can't use telepathy on a Jedi, just that it might not have been effective against a Jedi as powerful as Yoda.
Urm, you can block Force Lightning with a Force Bubble.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
In comparison to the Valley of the Jedi on Ruusan, the confirmed most powerful nexus in history? They are *extremely* comparable. 😬
No, they aren't. A Force Wound and a Force Nexus are two completely different things.
Ant, you're making pointless [/b]'s in your replies.
[Force blast? Attacks that other, lesser sorcerers have demonstrated. Especially attacks by Ommin and Aleema, both of whom are less powerful sorcerers than Zannah and got their knowledge from the same source as Zannah. I already gave you examples.It isn't fan fiction to suggest that she can perform attacks other have who have the same source of knowledge she does and a lesser grasp of the Force.
[..etc...etc]
Also, two can play that game. Revan studied the exact artifacts Darth Traya did when she became Sith. Logically speaking, he should also know the art of how to expand his Force Drain ability to "radical new heights." Despite this, I don't use this as a point in my debate because it is speculation, which is exactly what you are doing.[/B]
His... scream was a burst of light? Are you... on the drugs Ant?No, he screamed and THEN he unleashed the darkside. There's a difference between sound and light you know, lmao.
However, looking back in a better state, we are both wrong, but I still win:
"That didn't mean he was unprepared, however. Dark side sorcery was complex; it attacked the psyche in ways that were difficult to explain and even more difficullt to defend against. Bane has no talent for it, yet he had done his best to study the techniques. What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will."
―Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil
Ant.... That scene takes place after the Thought Bomb, well after the Force Storm. You know, people tend to fall asleep more than once. erm
The fact that Laa spoke to Rain "just before" the storm proves that Rain was awake.Laa told her about it "just before". Do I need to post the definition of "just before" for you? I would assume you'd know it but some of these arguments are making me seriously doubt your mental abilities. :I
Example number one:
http://www.telegram.com/article/20140704/NEWS/140709969/1116
They use "just before" to explain the time difference between "Thursday night" and when "the approaching Hurricane Arthur" hits, which is today.[/B]
Example number two:
"The people fled the country just before the fighting began."
Also, here is the definition. It means "near", not "the next damn second.":
http://thesaurus.com/browse/just+before
It's more logical to think that Rain just huddled under the Force Bubble all night since you say it only stopped in the morning right before the above scene.
I can understand why you are hilariously confused. [/B]
The storm itself happens in the middle of night. Generally that is believed to be around 3AM. That being said, their are conflicting manners of when the storm ends.
"Even though it was the middle of the night, he was only mildly surprised to see that most of the rest of the camp was up and about. They had felt it, too. Something coming for them. Coming fast."
―Darth Bane: Path of Destruction
The novel suggests the storm itself only occurs for several minutes at best. The comics suggest it plowed through all of night into *extreme* early morning (6AMish).
Regardless of which one, it doesn't change anything. Rain would, in either scenario, be huddling awake in her Force bubble for *hours*, doing nothing at all.[/B]
Why the hell would she be speechless and not ask Laa for *hours*, it makes no ****ing sense. Or that Laa would telepathically say something to her if she was awake?
I don't understand, the person needing to stand still doesn't suggest it takes a long time to use, just that it needs concentration to maintain. People have created Bubbles to block explosions. The Barsen'thor created one instantly to block the First Son's lightsaber. It doesn't take a long time to pull one up. Also since Zannah had just a large amount of power and command of the Force to form and maintain a Force Bubble subconsciously, I'd think it would take her less effort than others.
"They had felt it, too." Other people of Ruusan felt the rippling in the Force. Her unconscious body could easily be preparing for protection since the disturbance was felt. This is only natural. Studies show it is only human instinct to avoid attacks. This is only self-preservation. The "International Police Defensive Tactics Association" also confirms this: "If standing in some kind of high risk stance with your arms up and talking with people you would react by fencing with your arms, trying to take the attack away and slow it down. Slightly turning to the side from the attacker and stepping backwards"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2315497/Instinctive-Body-Reactions
For someone who has a command of the Force, their defense abilities are even greater, of course. However, the most accurate representation of a character's power is if it act of their own choice, it is on an area of natural Force levels, and the character is...conscious. 😕 How can Rain doing something instinctively and unconscious with an *unknown* amount of charging up and difficult be the focal point of your debate?
Revan can't spam lightning the entire fight. She can just sit under the Bubble until he stops. She was evidently able to use it to block the Force Storm until morning, so unless Revan can spam lightning for hours on end, I think she's fine.
[/B]Um...she would only need the bubble up for a couple seconds.
Once the storm passed her, she had no need to continue to keep up the bubble.
Since she defended herself against the fire and the lightning, the small area around her is fine, she has no need to continue to shield herself. The fire turned everything to ash, there were no prolonged fires around Zannah like you are suggesting.
"...swallowed up in red and orange and reduced in seconds to ash..."
―Darth Bane: Path of Destruction
It doesn't need to be specifically said. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. Its a canon FACT that Force barriers and bubbles CAN block lightning. That Zannah didn't use those against Bane only proves it wouldn't be effective against lightning as powerful as his.
Her unconscious, instinctual self was able to create a Force bubble that can withstand lightning/fire that can turn objects to ash that are far greater then the likes of Darth Bane.
Meanwhile, her conscious, self-acting self cannot create a Force bubble that can withstand lightning weaker then her unconscious, instinctual self?
This proves her Force bubble, while conscious and self-acting, is ultimately featless and rather pathetic.
Your entire argument is debunked. The proof she can withstand Revan's lightning is...non-existent.
He said he was gathering his power, if he was instinctively using the Force he'd still draw on that power. If I wind up a big punch then instinctively lash out at the first thing in front of me, I'd still be using that big wind up. He doesn't need to transfer any energy, it's all still flowing through the same conduit for the Force: Bane himself.
Proof of absence isn't absence of proof. Sidious didn't use telepathy on Yoda, that doesn't mean he can't use telepathy on a Jedi, just that it might not have been effective against a Jedi as powerful as Yoda.
No, they aren't. A Force Wound and a Force Nexus are two completely different things.
Fixing up two mistakes (and a revised edition):
Myself...
that are far greater then the likes of Darth Bane.
Myself...
This proves her Force bubble, while conscious and self-acting, is ultimately featless and rather pathetic*.
The bae
It doesn't need to be specifically said. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence. Its a canon FACT that Force barriers and bubbles CAN block lightning. That Zannah didn't use those against Bane only proves it wouldn't be effective against lightning as powerful as his.
Her unconscious, instinctual self was able to create a Force bubble that can withstand lightning/fire that can turn objects to ash that are far greater then the likes of Darth Bane's lightning.
Meanwhile, her conscious, self-acting self cannot create a Force bubble that can withstand lightning weaker then her unconscious, instinctual self?
This proves her Force bubble, while conscious and self-acting, is ultimately featless and rather pathetic, based off the fact her only Force bubble feat is not an accurate demonstration of her power, as just shown.
Your entire argument is debunked. The proof she can withstand Revan's lightning is...non-existent.
Nah. It said "You." Many say it said "they", but that context makes no sense, for the Rakata are speaking directly to Revan himself.
Similar to how they said: "They tried to take you prisoner, but you unleashed your magic - what you called the Force - upon them. Seeing your power they bowed before you and brought you here to me."