Darth Zannah vs Revan (Force abilities only)

Originally posted by Nephthys
I highly doubt he learned anything in those few weeks of training that he hadn't already learned in his decades of Jedi training before the mindwipe. He grew stronger, he didn't become more knowledgeable in the Force or anything.

Revan's command of the Force surpassed that of any individual whom Meetra had met including Tokare, Shan, Traya, Sion and Nihilus. Revan became a master of both light and dark aspects and learned to manipulate the Force in ways unlike any Jedi or Sith. He adopted the best of both worlds to maximize his competency and unpredictability.

the best of both worlds

So what? Banes command of the Force surpasses theirs as well (other than Nihilus' raw power). Revan learned one technique extra that was just him channeling both sides of the Force at once. Big deal. Hell, that contradicts his own teachings that state that the only way to truly wield the darkside effectively you need to utterly give yourself to it. Which Bane did, and he's stronger than Revan so I guess Darth Revan knew his stuff.

Revan is Miley Cirus level. Concede Neph, you been beaten.

The RoT Sith lost a lot of knowledge when a member of their order converted to the Light.

Dude u responded in like .03 seconds. Didn't even give me a chance to edit my post.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The RoT Sith lost a lot of knowledge when a member of their order converted to the Light.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So what? Banes command of the Force surpasses theirs as well (other than Nihilus' raw power).

Traya have some feats that Bane have never demonstrated.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan learned one technique extra that was just him channeling both sides of the Force at once. Big deal. Hell, that contradicts his own teachings that state that the only way to truly wield the darkside effectively you need to utterly give yourself to it. Which Bane did, and he's stronger than Revan so I guess Darth Revan knew his stuff.

Revan have performed actions that Bane have not such as blocking energies with bare hands, quickly healing himself from severe wounds, defending himself from all kinds of external attacks with a protective bubble, simultaneously using both light and dark sides to unleash a blast of power, and teleporting himself somewhere (apparently).

Revan likely knows a lot more then you give him credit for.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Based on what?

Traya have some feats that Bane have never demonstrated.

And Bane has many that Traya hasn't demonstrated.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan didn't learn that technique, rather pioneered it. Full extent of his abilities are not known but his command of the Force legitimately exceeds that of even Traya.

Revan have performed actions that Bane have not such as blocking energies with bare hands, quickly healing himself from severe wounds, defending himself from all kinds of external attacks with a protective bubble, simultaneously using both light and dark sides to unleash a blast of power, and teleporting himself somewhere (apparently).

Revan likely knows a lot more then you give him credit for.

More cop-out "we don't know the full extent of his abilities but I'm deciding its way about everyone else anyway" BS.

And Bane has demonstrated abilities that Revan hasn't, like turning people into ash with lightning, disintegrating opponents with a wave of his hand, melting blaster rifles with ionic energy, overpowering powerful spells through TK, blocking half a dozen grenades with a weakened Force barrier, decimating scores of opponents with Force drain, the destruction of the massive Lehon temple and more.

Bane knows more than Revan. He has Revan, Freedon Nadd, Andeddu and Belia Darzu's holocron.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Bane has many that Traya hasn't demonstrated.

Originally posted by Nephthys
More cop-out "we don't know the full extent of his abilities but I'm deciding its way about everyone else anyway" BS.

Revan is a master of both light and dark aspects of the Force, Bane is not. Revan would logically have command of wider range of abilities then Bane.

Since Revan's command of the Force exceeds that of anybody whom Meetra have met, his abilities would include:-

- Force Drain
- Force Sever
- Tutaminis
- Telekinetic abilities (various)
- Telepathic abilities (various)
- Force lightning
- Protection Bubble
- Force shield
- Affliction abilities (various)
- Cloaking abilities
- Shatterpoint abilities
- Battle Meditation
- Teleportation abilities

Possibly even more...

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Bane has demonstrated abilities that Revan hasn't, like turning people into ash with lightning, disintegrating opponents with a wave of his hand, melting blaster rifles with ionic energy, overpowering powerful spells through TK, blocking half a dozen grenades with a weakened Force barrier, decimating scores of opponents with Force drain, the destruction of the massive Lehon temple and more.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane knows more than Revan. He has Revan, Freedon Nadd, Andeddu and Belia Darzu's holocron.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you know this how? Do you think that Revan would not have studied holocrons and such? He plundered the worlds of Malachor V, Lehon and Korriban to increase his understanding of the dark side.

In addition, Bane also found the Holocrons of Nadd, Darzu, and Andeddu, as well as possessing a vaulted library full of Sith knowledge.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Like what?

I already said......

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This isn't a cop out. Do you think that authors decided to make a list of what Revan knew and didn't?

Revan is a master of both light and dark aspects of the Force, Bane is not. Revan would logically have command of wider range of abilities then Bane.

You can't prove that Revan's command of the Force exceeds Banes so you just go "we don't know the full extent" while you continue to assert that his knowledge surpasses Banes. Well I do know the full extent of Banes knowledge so I win.

A wider range maybe but Banes darkside knowledge would be superior.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Since Revan's command of the Force exceeds that of anybody whom Meetra have met, his abilities would include:-

- Force Drain
- Force Sever
- Tutaminis
- Telekinetic abilities (various)
- Telepathic abilities (various)
- Force lightning
- Protection Bubble
- Force shield
- Affliction abilities (various)
- Cloaking abilities
- Shatterpoint abilities
- Battle Meditation
- Teleportation abilities

Possibly even more...

Thats ridiculous logic. Just because his command is greater than everyone elses doesn't mean he knows all their freaking abilities. 😬

This actual list of abilities Revans known to have is:

- Force Drain = yes
- Force Sever = no
- Tutaminis = yes
- Telekinetic abilities (various) = obviously
- Telepathic abilities (various) = yes
- Force lightning = yes
- Protection Bubble = yes
- Force shield = yes
- Affliction abilities (various) = no
- Cloaking abilities = no
- Shatterpoint abilities = no
- Battle Meditation = no
- Teleportation abilities = unproven

Most of these are standard abilities. And he doesn't have battle meditation, come on. 😬

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not talking about actions, I am talking about techniques/applications. Several of Bane's actions represent telekinetic applications.

Oh. Well he's displayed pretty much everything Revan has minus Tutaminis. But he does have essence transfer, techniques against illusions, beast control and several other abilities.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And you know this how? Do you think that Revan would not have studied holocrons and such? He plundered the worlds of Malachor V, Lehon and Korriban to increase his understanding of the dark side.

I know because I..... read the books. :I

Where he find the holocrons. :I

And studies them. :I

I'm sure Revan did study holocrons. Lots of them. And recorded everything in his holocron for Bane to find. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
I already said......

1. Force lightning
2. Telekinetic abilities
3. Force Drain
4. Force shield

Traya have these abilities and much more.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You can't prove that Revan's command of the Force exceeds Banes so you just go "we don't know the full extent" while you continue to assert that his knowledge surpasses Banes. Well I do know the full extent of Banes knowledge so I win.

A wider range maybe but Banes darkside knowledge would be superior.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats ridiculous logic. Just because his command is greater than everyone elses doesn't mean he knows all their freaking abilities. 😬

This actual list of abilities Revans known to have is:

- Force Drain = yes
- Force Sever = no
- Tutaminis = yes
- Telekinetic abilities (various) = obviously
- Telepathic abilities (various) = yes
- Force lightning = yes
- Protection Bubble = yes
- Force shield = yes
- Affliction abilities (various) = no
- Cloaking abilities = no
- Shatterpoint abilities = no
- Battle Meditation = no
- Teleportation abilities = unproven

Most of these are standard abilities. And he doesn't have battle meditation, come on. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh. Well he's displayed pretty much everything Revan has minus Tutaminis. But he does have essence transfer, techniques against illusions, beast control and several other abilities.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I know because I..... read the books. :I

Where he find the holocrons. :I

And studies them. :I

I'm sure Revan did study holocrons. Lots of them. And recorded everything in his holocron for Bane to find. 🙂

Do not forget that Revan Reborn have greater understanding of the Force then (Darth) Revan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What you mentioned translates to:

1. Force lightning
2. Telekinetic abilities
3. Force Drain
4. Force shield

Traya have these abilities and much more.

I'm talking about feats, not abilities. Bane's raw power and mastery of telekinesis, lightning and lightsaber power eclipses Traya's.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You haven't proved that Bane have greater knowledge then Revan on the whole. The only exception is Essence Transfer but Revan knows teleportation as a counterbalance. In-fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Revan have knowledge of Essence Transfer as well.

Lolwut? Bane has almost all of Revan's Force Knowledge plus 3 other holocron's worth. You're the one who hasn't proven Revan's knowledge compares to Bane's.

Revan doesn't know teleportation. That's only a possibility. It's not confirmed that he teleported away after his fight. And he obviously lacks essence transfer.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Superiority in command of the Force represents greater understanding of the Force and ability to manipulate it. Revan possibly have knowledge of all of the aforementioned abilities, just because he haven't been depicted performing all of the aforementioned abilities, doesn't means he cannot. He is explicitly stated to have superior understanding of the Force then many individuals and all of the aforementioned techniques are covered in this manner.

He might also possibly have the ability to turn into a giant platypus, but I wouldn't consider that without actual evidence. Just because his Force Mastery is greater than people doesn't mean he has mastery of all their techniques. You can have more mastery than someone even if they know a technique that you don't. We know that Revan didn't have Battle Meditation. And he's never demonstrated the ability to turn invisible or Shatterpoint or sever force. Don't be stupid, Legend.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan have ample experience with telepathic abilities and perfected his own command in this respect as apparent from his actions against Emperor Vitiate. I don't think Bane even comes close to Revan in these matters. Traya also knows Beast Control and Revan have superior understanding of the Force then her as well.

I fail to see anything actually contradicting my point here. Bane knows everything Darth Revan did and much more.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Bane did not dare to try everything that (Darth) Revan learned.

Do not forget that Revan Reborn have greater understanding of the Force then (Darth) Revan.

Theres no indication that Revan dared to use those techniques either. Plus Bane grew much more powerful after that point.

Theres no way Revan learned more as his Reborn self than Bane did from Andeddu, Belia Darzu or Freedon Nadd's holocron. Bane > Revan.

Question Neph, do you plan on responding to our debate on this thread today?
Wondering because I plan on working out later, but I'll stay home if you are.

You admit Bane's knowledge > Revans, right? And that Malak sucks?

No.

Yessssssss, nice concession beeayachtch

You ****ing edited your post, *******.
I can play that game as well.

Too late:

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Alright good

Nah nah nah nah nah! 😛