Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, yes? It does work the same for Revan. He has a shitton of knowledge about a shitton of abilities. I can't think of many abilities I wouldn't say he knows about or has mastery of. Of course, he never really used sorcery so I wouldn't suggest he's naturally gifted in that area. But I find it unlikely that he doesn't know a lot about it.Force Lightning is different. It seems that Zannah simply didn't have talent in that area. Bane explains it when he tells her she's a sorcerer by nature and her talents lie more towards that area. Which btw equals this:
"A rare few have a natural affinity for the dark side itself. They can delve into the depths of the Force and summon arcane energies to twist and warp the world around them. They can invoke the ancient rituals of the Sith; they can conjure power and unleash terrible spells and dark magics."
Sorcery is not just the mental attacks Zannah demonstrates. She obviously has access to other abilities and I see no reason not to believe she does. The source of her knowledge comes from Nadd, who is known to have abilities such as the ones I described to you. So don't think that as soon as Zannah fails to mindfvck Revan she's totally blown her load. She has other attacks she can use on him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
😐You realise it's possible to scream.... without it being a Force Scream. 😐
It even says that the burst of energy happened after his scream. Come on bro.
No. He transform his scream into a "burst of wearing violet light" by channeling "his terror into pure rage".
Originally posted by Nephthys
I see where you're confused. The Bouncers refer to dreams differently than is normal. I believe its what they call visions or something. And Zannah didn't know if she did it or not because as you say, she wasn't aware of the true strength of her connection to the Force. I still doubt Zannah just slept through the raging inferno.Do you have any other pictures of these events from Jedi vs Sith? I've never been able to get a copy.
WTF? It was via instinct when she was asleep, according to you. So if she was awake or asleep it would still be the same.
I understand that, but I don't understand why that matters in the slightest. Even if it was via instinct theres no reason she couldn't do it later as a fully trained Sith Lord. I mean, if she has instinctive knowledge of the tech already its only logical, right?
That's the stupidest argument you've ever made. She sensed it and prepped in her sleep? I'm not even ****ing dignifying that. facepalm
"Rain stirred in her sleep, yet didn't wake. Someone was calling to her, but she didn't want to answer. In her dreams she could imagine she was still back home with her cousins, enjoying a simple but happy life. If she woke, she knew she'd have to face the truth: that life was gone forever.
Wake, Rain . . .
[irrelevant text]
Laa! Laa had saved her, and it was Laa who was calling to her now. Slowly she opened her eyes and sat up, still groggy.
Rain slept long. Now Rain must wake.
[irrelevant text]
Rain frowned, trying to figure out exactly what Laa was trying to tell her. Sometimes when the bouncers talked about dreams they actually meant something else. Sometimes it was as if the bouncers had visions of the future. She remembered what Laa had said just before the entire forest had exploded in flames: Bad dreams, Rain. Death dreams.
The fires had killed most of the other bouncers. The survivors had all gone mad. All except Laa. Somehow Rain had saved her. She'd used the Force, shielding them both from the burning death and destruction, though she wasn't quite sure how she'd done it. It had just sort of .. . happened. Now she and Laa had nobody left but each other."
―Darth Bane: Path of Destruction
All text in red supports my stance that Rain was asleep. The text in blue supports my stance she did it instinctively.
The blue however does not affect my theory Rain was asleep: As the comic goes, Rain *asks* Laa if she completed the feat. By this point, she would have known she used the Force to do it. The fact she does not doesn't mean she wasn't asleep.
Your response in the "The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy" was your only effort to try to contradict my sleeping claim, everything else was just you rambling about it with no support.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If she was talking with Laa right before the Storm hit them then she wasn't asleep. Concede, fool.
Laa tells Rain about the storm *before* it even begins. All Laa tells her is "Bad dreams, Rain. Death dreams."
Rain has no knowledge on when it is going to happen. And, due to the fact that Laa was the one to save her from death.
Rain had no reasons to stay awake, Laa protected her before, and will protect her again.
We don't see Rain then until well in the following day. Look at the environmental difference in the below scan:
They covered an insane amount of ground. I understand why you are in awe over how I am suggesting Rain fell asleep, but it is supported.
The explosions occurred during late in night, that much is canonical.
In early morning, Kaan and friends stop the ritual, and prepare to hunt the survivors.
Below is a picture of the star in the sky during the hunt, and a depiction of how the Sun works. Ruusan has 23 hours.
Based on the pictures, it should be no later then 9. Probably 8:30am (being generous).
By this point, Rain *still* does not know about the feat she performed in the *night*.
Only logical answer is to assume she been asleep ever since.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I said Force Bubble, not Barrier. A Force Bubble is the same thing as a "Force Protection Bubble." Its one word different.No they aren't difficult to throw up. There's no indication they're more complex and hard to use than other Force defenses. Perhaps more of an advanced ability, but no indication of being slower to whip out. So I don't see Revan penetrating her Bubble with his lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I already said, she clearly couldn't use it to block Bane's lightning. That's already established. That does not however, mean that she couldn't use it to block Revan's lightning. Since Revan's lightning is weaker than Bane's. It's a fact that Force defenses can block Force Lightning. Theres nothing indicating that Zannah's is some special case where it's impossible. If her defenses are strong enough and the attack weak enough she can block it. It's as simple as that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I meant easily as in she can do it in seconds, as she does in the final battle so she can run up and backstab Raskta.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane didn't know he was successful and I doubt he was stupid enough to think that would distract her for long. I see no reason why he'd idiotically drop his guard like that. Bane even notes that it might not be possible to trick Zannah and get out.That he was thinking on Lucia doesn't mean his entire focus was solely on her or that he wasn't using his Force sense as well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
2. WTF? That's stupid and not true. There's no reason why he couldn't use the energy he was charging for a barrier. Just because it's instinctive doesn't mean anything. He's not a freaking gun, you don't need to load power into specific chambers to fire off Force attacks. You charge up your power and then you use the Force.
Unless one of them... had most of his power diverted elsewhere and couldn't properly defend himself. Hmmm, naw thats crazy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So therefore it's entirely reasonable to think she can replicate the feat as a Sith Lord.
Malachor was a Force Wound that ****ed up the entire planet and echo'd with all the death throughout the galaxy. Not really the same thing. It's like comparing a disease of a knife wound.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The truth hurts honey. Zannah is even more powerful than Bane, who's also more powerful than Revan.
Revan would dominate Bane in a fight due to his superior raw power and command of the Force. Bane's only chance against him is with his dueling abilities, not in use of the Force.
I'm using honey in the way a woman calls a female friend honey.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Does Bane have sufficient raw power to quickly dismiss a Force-user of Nyriss's caliber? I don't think so.Revan would dominate Bane in a fight due to his superior raw power and command of the Force. Bane's only chance against him is with his dueling abilities, not in use of the Force.
Yes.
Lol. Bane would dominate Revan in a fight due to his superior lightsaber prowess. Bane's command of the Force is greater than Revan's. Bane has all his knowledge and has 3 other holocrons worth too.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes.Lol. Bane would dominate Revan in a fight due to his superior lightsaber prowess. Bane's command of the Force is greater than Revan's. Bane has all his knowledge and has 3 other holocrons worth too.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan didn't gain any greater Force knowledge after his mindwipe. He was only Revan Reborn for a few days before getting anally probed by Vitiate for 300 years. 😬
Revan can beat Zannah.
Isn't that so adorable (ly stupid) ????
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan underwent extensive learning after his mindwipe. He ended-up with superior command of the Force then he ever had before.
I highly doubt he learned anything in those few weeks of training that he hadn't already learned in his decades of Jedi training before the mindwipe. He grew stronger, he didn't become more knowledgeable in the Force or anything.