Originally posted by Galan007
He might also be referencing the Cube's feats in the Chaos Engine Trilogy. Granted the aforementioned are novelizations, but they're evidently still canon to the comics, as some of their events(mainly those centered around the Cube) have been mentioned in OHOTMU bios and whatnot.[edit]
Lol, I wuz ryte. 😛
That specific feat, regarding CCU threatening the omniverse in the CE trilogy, was mentioned in a recent handbook -- Blockbusters of the Marvel universe (appendix part):
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhile CCUs have been manipulated to accomplish uber feats from planetary to omniversal.
Heck, one was used in an alternate reality to give every hero and villain of said reality
their own private universe where they can make any wish come true.
Personally i don't think using feats from later stories for the cube is applicable to Thanos. Because the Thanos story happened in the early 70s, and up until that point it was treated as universal (those early Tales of suspense, captain america stories, Avengers all referred to it as universal from what i remember), and the Thanos story also treated it as universal. And given that Thanos utilized the cube to its full potential, yet still never showed any multiversal influence, it wouldn't make sense for the cube NOT to be anymore than universal.
Still though, i don't disagree that Thanos > Galactus here. Thanos was still around Eternity-level in that story, which is enough to grant him the win over this Galactus.
Originally posted by operator616
Personally i don't think using feats from later stories for the cube is applicable to Thanos. Because the Thanos story happened in the early 70s, and up until that point it was treated as universal (those early Tales of suspense, captain america stories, Avengers all referred to it as universal from what i remember), and the Thanos story also treated it as universal. And given that Thanos utilized the cube to its full potential, yet still never showed any multiversal influence, it wouldn't make sense for the cube NOT to be anymore than universal.
But then again,
per character history Thanos has a habit of not wanting everything even when he can have it. That may explain it. (written by Starlin no less)
Originally posted by operator616
But if stories do not call for a bigger boom, bam, slam, then it's
Still though, i don't disagree that Thanos > Galactus here. Thanos was still around Eternity-level in that story, which is enough to grant him the win over this Galactus.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's a fair point.
But imo, we can call it "universal" or "multiversal" or "omniversal" and it's just a label.
In that story it was all powerful, it made Thanos "God" ... and the wielders are always basically unbeatable outside of plot.
The story didn't call for anything beyond what took place on panel.
Now, had Thanos attempted a feat or something "multiversal" whathaveyou and failed, I'd say yea.But then again,
per character history Thanos has a habit of not wanting everything even when he can have it. That may explain it. (written by Starlin no less)
I just don't think that the Cosmic Cube was intended to be anything more than universal in that time period. Thanos did utilize the cube to its full potential, so if Starlin wanted to highlight Cube's multiversal power, then why stop at one universe? ...he could have had Thanos conquer or at least threaten (given that Thanos was still adjusting to his position) other universes.
Just like previously in Tales of Suspense #81, Red Skull was about to bfr Cap into "another dimension" (meaning the writer was aware that other dimensions/universes exist, this was in the 60s after all) yet still had the cosmic cube's power isolated to the universal scale.
Same thing in CA #115, RS hurled Cap "thousand dimensions away" or something, yet still the cube's power wasn't multiversal (even though it could have been, if the writer chose to).
Originally posted by operator616Cool beans. That further concretes the other bios that mention it. 👆
That specific feat, regarding CCU threatening the omniverse in the CE trilogy, was mentioned in a recent handbook -- Blockbusters of the Marvel universe (appendix part):
Originally posted by operator616Christ almighty. It's like you take everything I say as a friggin' argument. 🙄
I was posting it because it also specifically mentions the omniversal-threatening part, not because it further cements CET's canonicity.
I'm glad that's why you posted the excerpt. I merely commented that it further solidified other evidence, because it does. Boy howdy, you do enjoy semantics wars. 👇
😂
Originally posted by operator616I just don't think that the Cosmic Cube was intended to be anything more than universal in that time period. Thanos did utilize the cube to its full potential, so if Starlin wanted to highlight Cube's multiversal power, then why stop at one universe? ...he could have had Thanos conquer or at least threaten (given that Thanos was still adjusting to his position) other universes.
Just like previously in Tales of Suspense #81, Red Skull was about to bfr Cap into "another dimension" (meaning the writer was aware that other dimensions/universes exist, this was in the 60s after all) yet still had the cosmic cube's power isolated to the universal scale.
Same thing in CA #115, RS hurled Cap "thousand dimensions away" or something, yet still the cube's power wasn't multiversal (even though it could have been, if the writer chose to).
My reasoning is, what would've been the point of him threatening the multiverse when that wasn't his objective?
His opponents were heroes. (a couple high heralds at best) Becoming the universe was more than enuff.
You asked why stop there?
Well perhaps he could've done more but his famous sub-conscious got to him before that.
That was literally the reason he allowed himself to be stopped in that story as you should know.
*edit: You also can't forget opr that Starlin considered the CCU in that story the power of God. (so, anything is possible)
I don't think he meant TOAA or real world "God/s" ... just "God" in comics. (supreme being sorta-speak like IG, I guess)
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Yeah kinda lackluster shooting eyebeams and warping reality a bit while merged/becoming one with 616 but like you said, it was against a couple of heralds so meh.
Originally posted by operator616
I was posting it because it also specifically mentions the omniversal-threatening part, not because it further cements CET's canonicity.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reed, with the Cosmic Cube ... easily [b]re-creates 616 Galactus:Then re-makes the World & Asgard/Odin: (notice Reed references big G but Uatu says the CCU is greater)
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Red Skull coveted Galactus' tech after obtaining godlike power from a cosmic cube. A cosmic cube(albeit with some of its charge depleted) also failed to do anything more than ko a resurrected Thanos in the Cancerverse. Canon.
Originally posted by Galan007
Christ almighty. It's like you take everything I say as a friggin' argument.I'm glad that's why you posted the excerpt. I merely commented that it further solidified other evidence, because it does. Boy howdy, you do enjoy semantics wars.
No, that's the last thing i enjoy. I was merely clarifying my post until i saw that i misunderstood your comment. I thought you missed the point of me posting that bio when you said that it cements CET's canoncity. So i clarified that i posted it to confirm the omniversal-part, but then i realized that you were saying that it confirms CET's canonicity on top of confirming the omniversal feat.
So yeah, my mistake. Simple misunderstanding. No biggie. Had a rough day yesterday so i wasn't in my right mind anyway.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But what "full potential" was needed in the story if you think about it?
Also, was it actually stated that Thanos used the CCU to its full potential and this = the universe? (can't recall)
Regardless, Thanos became the universe to/for what? To fight heroes? What more need he do?
The point of him becoming the universe wasn't to fight heroes.
That was just Starling showcasing his power, which in front of heroes, was monumental.
The poor guy resulted to throwing buildings around as an offense
cause the competition was so beneath him when clearly he could've erased them all with a thought.My reasoning is, what would've been the point of him threatening the multiverse when that wasn't his objective?
His opponents were heroes. (a couple high heralds at best) Becoming the universe was more than enuff.You asked why stop there?
Well perhaps he could've done more but his famous sub-conscious got to him before that.
That was literally the reason he allowed himself to be stopped in that story as you should know.*edit: You also can't forget opr that Starlin considered the CCU in that story the power of God. (so, anything is possible)
I don't think he meant TOAA or real world "God/s" ... just "God" in comics. (supreme being sorta-speak like IG, I guess)
When you think about it, the story didn't need Thanos becoming one with the universe to defeat the heroes either (not that he saw them as a threat anyway), so not sure what's your point. Thanos wanted to impress Death, so if he wanted to impress her to the fullest, he'll utilize the cube's full potential to achieve highest power possible, which he did. Becoming one with the universe.
The sub-conscious part has nothing to do with him not willing to dominate other universes, it has to do with him losing sub consciously.
Yes, Starlin -- and previous stories too, for the record -- regarded a Cosmic Cube wielder as God, and Starlin's way of showcasing Cube's ultimate power (it's maximum potential, imo) is having Thanos merge with the universe.
Tell you what; let's set aside all the cube stories after the Captain Marvel story, would you able to say that Thanos is a multiversal power? (you can't, since at that point, no multiversal feat was shown, so no reason to regard it as multiversal). Going by this same logic one could just as easily say that the 4 planet-fed Galactus is a multiversal+ power. Because in the Thor annual (which btw, happened in the same time period where a 4-planet fed Galactus was shown) Galactus was about to destroy the multiverse in his battle with Scrier/The Other, at "normal levels" (there was no mention of him being fed), so one could use this ABC logic to say: Given that a normal Galactus was about to destroy the multiverse, a 4-planet fed Galactus (which makes him > than when he is at Normal levels) is above multiversal power levels. That's exactly what you're doing with Thanos here. And that's just faulty logic and you know it.
Originally posted by operator616We all have days like that. No worries. 🙂
No, that's the last thing i enjoy. I was merely clarifying my post until i saw that i misunderstood your comment. I thought you missed the point of me posting that bio when you said that it cements CET's canoncity. So i clarified that i posted it to confirm the omniversal-part, but then i realized that you were saying that it confirms CET's canonicity on top of confirming the omniversal feat.So yeah, my mistake. Simple misunderstanding. No biggie. Had a rough day yesterday so i wasn't in my right mind anyway.
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