Galactus vs Thanos with Cosmic Cube

Originally posted by operator616

When you think about it, the story didn't need Thanos becoming one with the universe to defeat the heroes either (not that he saw them as a threat anyway), so not sure what's your point. Thanos wanted to impress Death, so if he wanted to impress her to the fullest, he'll utilize the cube's full potential to achieve highest power possible, which he did. Becoming one with the universe.

You should email Starlin though as to why Thanos decided to become the universe instead of the "multiverse."
I mean, perhaps as the "multiverse" he would've thrown a city to attack, since as the universe he was using a sky-scrapper building. 😂

Also: "if he wanted to impress her to the fullest" ... (that's subjective thinking imo)
We/you have no idea what's going on inside the mind of that imaginary character in that story,
only Starlin does, since it's his mind. In Starlin's mind, Thanos was "GOD."

Originally posted by operator616

The sub-conscious part has nothing to do with him not willing to dominate other universes, it has to do with him losing sub consciously.

When he had the IG, he only wanted to replace Eternity. (we assume 616)
During the Infinity War arc, he didn't wanna become "god" of another universe only, he wanted the 616 IG instead.
During Marvel the End, he stayed situated in 616 even though he had merged with the omniverse.
(he only left 616 once in order to remake reality a couple 1000 years in the past)

So come to think of it, I can't recall any story where Thanos is out to get realities other than 616. (historically speaking)

Originally posted by operator616

Yes, Starlin -- and previous stories too, for the record -- regarded a Cosmic Cube wielder as God, and Starlin's way of showcasing Cube's ultimate power (it's maximum potential, imo) is having Thanos merge with the universe.

Still waiting on that scan you have that declares the CCU's "ultimate power" ... "maximum/full potential" ... in the Thanos story was his universal merger.

Originally posted by operator616

Tell you what; let's set aside all the cube stories after the Captain Marvel story, would you able to say that Thanos is a multiversal power? (you can't, since at that point, no multiversal feat was shown, so no reason to regard it as multiversal). Going by this same logic one could just as easily say that the 4 planet-fed Galactus is a multiversal+ power. Because in the Thor annual (which btw, happened in the same time period where a 4-planet fed Galactus was shown) Galactus was about to destroy the multiverse in his battle with Scrier/The Other, at "normal levels" (there was no mention of him being fed), so one could use this ABC logic to say: Given that a normal Galactus was about to destroy the multiverse, a 4-planet fed Galactus (which makes him > than when he is at Normal levels) is above multiversal power levels. That's exactly what you're doing with Thanos here.

And that's just faulty logic and you know it.

Stick to Starlin's story involving Thanos/CCU
and lets avoid shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the story in any way shape or form.

Tell you what; let's set aside your hindsight and instead:

Where in the OP is it requested we use Thanos/CCU from the Starlin story strictly?
Because unless specified we can use Thanos with CCU, and all the feats to the present.
The thread starter figured, Thanos can handle a CCU the best, so give it to him,
but I don't think we're limited to only what Thanos has done with a CCU in Starlin's story.

Regardless, Thanos was "GOD."
So universal, multiversal, who gives a shit, if you're GOD, everyone else gets defeated,
unless an impossible paradox occurs and an equal GOD challenges you to a stalemate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
SunnyD's vid is making my CPU crash!

^^ pfft

Originally posted by Epicurus

Hungry/weakened Galactus.

Reed re-created 616 Galactus anew. (he didn't beat up or fix up a "hungry" Galactus)

On the other hand though:

Doom merged with the power of Galactus,
Doom also had the Ultimate Machine, the Sacred Helix of Randac & the Cosmic Control Rod.

Doom thought all this + Galactus' power was > CCU ... but .. how wrong he was!

******************************************

Reed: "This insect" (referring to himself) "holds the Cube."

Doom: "But I hold the power of Galactus" (plus the UM, the SH of R, the CCR)

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985238_CCU_Doom16.jpg]

Oh Really ... You think that makes you bad ass Doom?

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985240_CCU_Doom17.jpg]

[img=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13985244_CCU_Doom18.jpg]

Doom, ridiculously amped gets Stomped! ... one shot style by the CCU

Originally posted by Epicurus

Red Skull coveted Galactus' tech after obtaining godlike power from a cosmic cube. A cosmic cube(albeit with some of its charge depleted) also failed to do anything more than ko a resurrected Thanos in the Cancerverse. Canon.

The depleted CCU is plot.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're not sure what my point is, and yet I defined it clearly in my previous post.

You said that the story didn't necessitate for Thanos to influence other universes, to defeat the heroes.

I said that it wasn't necessary for Thanos to become one with the universe to defeat the heroes either.

Originally posted by Mr Master

You should email Starlin though as to why Thanos decided to become the universe instead of the "multiverse."
I mean, perhaps as the "multiverse" he would've thrown a city to attack, since as the universe he was using a sky-scrapper building. 😂

Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're not sure what my point is, and yet I defined it clearly in my previous post.
Still waiting on that scan btw that details Thanos utilizing the CCU to its "full potential" and this = the Universe.
When you post that, this debate concerning the CCU in that specific story ends.

Sure thing:

http://i.imgur.com/Fut5s40.jpg?1

It's from the '89 OHOTMU update.

It tells us that Thanos used the Cube's full power to transform himself into a god-like state (merging with the universe).

Guess this part's settled.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Also: "if he wanted to impress her to the fullest" ... (that's subjective thinking imo)
We/you have no idea what's going on inside the mind of that imaginary character in that story,
only Starlin does, since it's his mind. In Starlin's mind, Thanos was "GOD."

That's logical thinking.

We do have an idea what's going through his mind, and it's just that: He seeks ways to impress Death to the fullest, so he'll utilize cube's full potential (like i already mentioned) to the fullest to achieve that (which he did: Merging with the universe).

Originally posted by Mr Master

So again, you want to dominate other universes for what?
Also, when has Thanos (historically speaking) been so interested in other realities?

When he had the IG, he only wanted to replace Eternity. (we assume 616)
During the Infinity War arc, he didn't wanna become "god" of another universe only, he wanted the 616 IG instead.
During Marvel the End, he stayed situated in 616 even though he had merged with the omniverse.
(he only left 616 once in order to remake reality a couple 1000 years in the past)

So come to think of it, I can't recall any story where Thanos is out to get realities other than 616. (historically speaking)

Starlin did label the CCU in the Thanos story ... "GOD."

When he had the IG he only did what was requested of him: erase half of universe's population, and IG doesn't have full multiversal capabilities anyway. But im sure you'll disagree.

This is pretty much irrelevant. Since the first time Thanos achieved ultimate power, he thought that to impress Death, is to show her what his capabilities really are, then he realized (in IG) that showcasing his power is not enough to grant him Death's love. So you'd have a point if the Captain Marvel story happened after that.

Yeah, because "God" is such a rare word used in comics....

Originally posted by Mr Master

Actually, you're hilarious comparison is the greatest of "faulty logics" I've seen.

Stick to Starlin's story involving Thanos/CCU
and lets avoid shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the story in any way shape or form.

Tell you what; let's set aside your hindsight and instead:

Where in the OP is it requested we use Thanos/CCU from the Starlin story strictly?
Because unless specified we can use Thanos with CCU, and all the feats to the present.
The thread starter figured, Thanos can handle a CCU the best, so give it to him,
but I don't think we're limited to only what Thanos has done with a CCU in Starlin's story.

Regardless, Thanos was "GOD."
So universal, multiversal, who gives a shit, if you're GOD, everyone else gets defeated,
unless an impossible paradox occurs and an equal GOD challenges you to a stalemate.

So no counterargument to my Galactus analogy? Just that you find it hilarious.

Basically, you're willing to give Thanos feats from outside stories, but refusing to apply the logic that, according to a story, normal Galactus = multiversal; which would put a 4-planet Galactus at multiversal+ level (i myself disagree with this reasoning, but the logic you're using for Thanos, is the same one im attributing to Galactus). Totally not bias.

Im OK if the OP allows us to use later cube feats for Thanos. I just thought that CCU Thanos = Thanos from the Captain Marvel story.

I think you're putting too much stock in this "God" term; this is a term, as you know, which is used loosely in comics, and "God" can be planatery level, Universal-level, mutiversal-level, etc..

Originally posted by Mr Master

Huh? ...

Pretty sure that he was referring to the part where Doom (possessing Galactus' powers) was hungry right before Reed took away his powers:

http://i.imgur.com/4qeBPSW.jpg

Originally posted by operator616
Sure thing:

http://i.imgur.com/Fut5s40.jpg?1

It's from the '89 OHOTMU update.

It tells us that Thanos used the Cube's full power to transform himself into a god-like state (merging with the universe).

Guess this part's settled.

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Same thing was stated on panel in Super-Villain Team-Up #17:
http://i.imgur.com/rFJEkxq.jpg

🙂

👆 Thanks.

I think it was also stated at other times (like in SS) not too sure though.

But anyway, we have on panel + bio confirmation which is enough.

Edit: Found another one from Captain America annual #7:

http://i.imgur.com/76hpUy1.jpg

"Cube's powers used to the fullest"

Originally posted by operator616

You said that the story didn't necessitate for Thanos to influence other universes, to defeat the heroes.
I said that it wasn't necessary for Thanos to become one with the universe to defeat the heroes either.

Originally posted by operator616

Irrelevant.

Originally posted by operator616

Sure thing:

http://i.imgur.com/Fut5s40.jpg?1

It's from the '89 OHOTMU update.

But I never claimed Thanos was multiversal or universal.

I kept repeating that Thanos was GOD, so what he decided to do with that is his business.
If he decided to become the universe, so be it.

Originally posted by operator616

That's logical thinking.

We do have an idea what's going through his mind, and it's just that: He seeks ways to impress Death to the fullest, so he'll utilize cube's full potential (like i already mentioned) to the fullest to achieve that (which he did: Merging with the universe).

See, I can deal in subjective reasoning as well.

Originally posted by operator616

When he had the IG he only did what was requested of him: erase half of universe's population, and IG doesn't have full multiversal capabilities anyway. But im sure you'll disagree.

This is pretty much irrelevant. Since the first time Thanos achieved ultimate power, he thought that to impress Death, is to show her what his capabilities really are, then he realized (in IG) that showcasing his power is not enough to grant him Death's love. So you'd have a point if the Captain Marvel story happened after that.

Actually, I remember the LT allowing Thanos his way since he only wanted to replace Eternity.
I also remember, in Infinity War, where Thanos' dopple suggested getting an Alternate IG to become "god" of another reality,
and Thanos said No! ... I want 616. (same universe he's always after)
In Marvel the End: Thanos stays withIN 616.

So again, not recalling Thanos being famous for going after realities other than 616.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah, because "God" is such a rare word used in comics....

Originally posted by operator616

So no counterargument to my Galactus analogy? Just that you find it hilarious.

Why should I entertain some left field unrelated wannabee comparative example?
When the fact is your "analogy" has nothing to do with Starlin/CCU/Thanos. (not even indirectly)

Originally posted by operator616

Basically, you're willing to give Thanos feats from outside stories, but refusing to apply the logic that, according to a story, normal Galactus = multiversal; which would put a 4-planet Galactus at multiversal+ level (i myself disagree with this reasoning, but the logic you're using for Thanos, is the same one im attributing to Galactus). Totally not bias.

Originally posted by operator616

Im OK if the OP allows us to use later cube feats for Thanos. I just thought that CCU Thanos = Thanos from the Captain Marvel story.

Originally posted by operator616

I think you're putting too much stock in this "God" term; this is a term, as you know, which is used loosely in comics, and "God" can be planatery level, Universal-level, mutiversal-level, etc..

As far as the "God" term being used loosely: I've never seen what you're talking about.
Please do not post tons of scans of idiots being called "A" God, or God-like.

I wanna see, he/she is God! (the almighty/supreme being) period.

Originally posted by operator616

Pretty sure that he was referring to the part where Doom (possessing Galactus' powers) was hungry right before Reed took away his powers:

http://i.imgur.com/4qeBPSW.jpg

But again, inconsequential. The scan I post of Reed re-creating Galactus anew, doesn't concern his hunger.

Originally posted by Galan007

Same thing was stated on panel in Super-Villain Team-Up #17:
http://i.imgur.com/rFJEkxq.jpg

Originally posted by operator616

Edit: Found another one from Captain America annual #7:

http://i.imgur.com/76hpUy1.jpg

"Cube's powers used to the fullest"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Exactly.

Then your point is moot.

Because we already know that Thanos shouldn't have achieved a god-like state (like merging with the universe) to defeat the heroes.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Cool. So the CCU made Thanos GOD and the Universe.

But I never claimed Thanos was multiversal or universal.

I kept repeating that Thanos was GOD, so what he decided to do with that is his business.
If he decided to become the universe, so be it.

...How's that have to do with anything? No one is debating that Thanos was the universe and God; we're debating whether cube's potential back then was universal or not. In which case, it definitely was, as already proved.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I disagree. The story was plotted as is. In that story, that was the ultimate feat necessary.
If he really wanted to impress Death, he wouldn't have allowed himself to be defeated like a b*tch.

See, I can deal in subjective reasoning as well.

So, still in denial i see. Despite being proven wrong.

I don't have anything to prove anymore. Fact is, and that's been my point from the beginning: Thanos used the cube to its full potential, and this full potential was merging with the universe and nothing more.

Except for the part where it was confirmed that he wanted to impress Death:

http://i.imgur.com/uWkVONo.jpg

He didn't consciously lose, but rather sub consciously as you pointed out yourself.

Originally posted by Mr Master

"What was requested of him?"

Actually, I remember the LT allowing Thanos his way since he only wanted to replace Eternity.
I also remember, in Infinity War, where Thanos' dopple suggested getting an Alternate IG to become "god" of another reality,
and Thanos said No! ... I want 616. (same universe he's always after)
In Marvel the End: Thanos stays withIN 616.

So again, not recalling Thanos being famous for going after realities other than 616.

Yeah. What was requested of him. Come on, that was the main plot. There was an imbalance between life and death, so Death brings back Thanos, upgrades him and wants him to wipe out half the universe's population, which Thanos does when he gets the IG. But then he sees that Death is still dissatisfied, since he is superior to her.
Yeah, LT allowed it. Don't see the point. IG Thanos was incapable of taking over the entire multiverse, hence why he chose 616. And LT saw it as a natural occurrence.
Im curious: How come you claim that Thanos bonded with the omniverse (which you're probably basing on the omni-reality statement, which i disagree with), yet stay within 616 reality? Seems a bit contradictory. If he was bonded with the omniverse he'd be omnipresent throughout the omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Still hilarious btw.

Why should I entertain some left field unrelated wannabee comparative example?
When the fact is your "analogy" has nothing to do with Starlin/CCU/Thanos. (not even indirectly)

Oh, again? ... ... Since the term wasn't enuff.

Im trying to point out how your logic fails, how's that hilarious? Stop avoiding the damn question and answer it: do you agree with the Galactus example (which, again, i don't agree with, but im trying to make a point) i gave that a 4 planet fed Galactus should be at multiversal+ levels of power?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Unless specified ... we use current Thanos, with a CCU and all it's feats, ever.

I have no problem with that; but that's irrelevant to the debate at hand.

Originally posted by Mr Master

You put too much stock into a lot of shit (eg. the term universe/multiverse/whathaveyou) but I'm not complaining.

As far as the "God" term being used loosely: I've never seen what you're talking about.
Please do not post tons of scans of idiots being called "A" God, or God-like.

I wanna see, he/she is God! (the almighty/supreme being) period.

Really, like what? Because i don't know what you mean by terms universe/multiverse.

Yeah, i am very well aware between the difference of "a god" and "God" (supreme being). And my point still stands. You want examples then so be it.

It's not like Red Jack from (Morrison's) Doom Patrol v2 #24, was literally referred himself to as, "God":

http://i.imgur.com/uoAEo2c.jpg?1

It's not like that weak ass pyramid from The Authority v1 #10 (the other scan is from the Authority/Lobo one shot and there are many more), was continually referred to as "God":

http://i.imgur.com/HS7q3vS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1hRY1vO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/k4MQc1U.jpg?1

Same "God" who was literally vein fried by Jenny Sparks (who's a herald level character at best, not to be confused with the reality warper Jenny Quantum).

It's not like Wally was referred to as "God" in many times, one of which is in Supergirl v4 #17:

http://i.imgur.com/TInsoPG.jpg?1

Im gonna get bored if i start listing all the instances where a character claims to be "God". So let's settle this with a last one from Marvel. Norman Osborn saying that he's God in Thunderbolts v1 #120:

http://i.imgur.com/0zM8Oos.jpg?1

Ill stop here but just give me the go and ill list more. Let me know.

It's the same thing as being called "omnipotent"; there's countless examples where a character is referred to as being omnipotent when he isn't, most obvious is Odin, who's literally referred as being omnipotent in most (and i do mean it) of his appearances right from those old JiM issues. Just like Golden Age Superman comics (issue #17 iirc) had Luthor referred to as being "omnipotent" when he only achieved planetary level of omnipotence. Etc.. So yeah, this type of hyperbole has been for a while in comics.

Originally posted by operator616
Then your point is moot.

Because we already know that Thanos shouldn't have achieved a god-like state (like merging with the universe) to defeat the heroes.

Originally posted by operator616

...How's that have to do with anything? No one is debating that Thanos was the universe and God; we're debating whether cube's potential back then was universal or not. In which case, it definitely was, as already proved.

So, your point is "moot."

Originally posted by operator616

So, still in denial i see. Despite being proven wrong.

I don't have anything to prove anymore. Fact is, and that's been my point from the beginning: Thanos used the cube to its full potential, and this full potential was merging with the universe

and nothing more.

That aside, you keep coming at me with this disrespectful drivel, and I'll will reciprocate, you can bet on that.
I haven't denied shit ... so take you're poppycock elsewhere. (I even gave yur scan a thumbs up)
If you can't comprehend my posts, ask me to elaborate or clarify, but don't accuse me of intransigence.

I wasn't proven "wrong" since I NEVER claimed the CCU made Thanos "multiversal" or even "universal" for that matter.

Phuck yu think yu are child?

This is the last time I contain myself.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah. What was requested of him. Come on, that was the main plot. There was an imbalance between life and death, so Death brings back Thanos, upgrades him and wants him to wipe out half the universe's population, which Thanos does when he gets the IG. But then he sees that Death is still dissatisfied, since he is superior to her.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah, LT allowed it. Don't see the point.

IG Thanos was incapable of taking over the entire multiverse, hence why he chose 616. And LT saw it as a natural

"Supreme Being of This, and all UniverseS"

Thanos jumped out of 616 when he visited the Pre-Historic Age, and the End of the Earth's time.
Thanos' actuality ripple destroyed a planet withIN the Beyond Realm which is located beyond/outside the Multiverse.

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Like I said, per character history the cat doesn't really aspire to conquer realities other than 616, even though he could.

Originally posted by operator616

Im trying to point out how your logic fails, how's that hilarious? Stop avoiding the damn question and answer it: do you agree with the Galactus example (which, again, i don't agree with, but im trying to make a point) i gave that a 4 planet fed Galactus should be at multiversal+ levels of power?

Originally posted by operator616

I have no problem with that; but that's irrelevant to the debate at hand.

So, yea, it's settled that the CCU in the Starlin story made Thanos the Universe.

You proved that, ... but it also made him God! (therefore all-powerful at-least within 616)

Originally posted by operator616

Really, like what? Because i don't know what you mean by terms universe/multiverse.

Originally posted by operator616

Yeah, i am very well aware between the difference of "a god" and "God" (supreme being). And my point still stands. You want examples then so be it.
It's not like Red Jack from (Morrison's) Doom Patrol v2 #24, was literally referred himself to as, "God":
http://i.imgur.com/uoAEo2c.jpg?1
It's not like that weak ass pyramid from The Authority v1 #10 (the other scan is from the Authority/Lobo one shot and there are many more), was continually referred to as "God":
http://i.imgur.com/HS7q3vS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1hRY1vO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k4MQc1U.jpg?1
Same "God" who was literally vein fried by Jenny Sparks (who's a herald level character at best, not to be confused with the reality warper Jenny Quantum).
It's not like Wally was referred to as "God" in many times, one of which is in Supergirl v4 #17:
http://i.imgur.com/TInsoPG.jpg?1
Im gonna get bored if i start listing all the instances where a character claims to be "God". So let's settle this with a last one from Marvel.

Norman Osborn saying that he's God in Thunderbolts v1 #120:
http://i.imgur.com/0zM8Oos.jpg?1

Ill stop here but just give me the go and ill list more. Let me know.

But you really had me on the floor with the the Green Goblin joint.

You really are hilarious!

Ey son, I'm not talking about idiots with delusions of grandeur, with these silly self-proclamations
by buffoons who haven't done jack shit to warrant even the possibility of their boasts being true.

Heck, if I knew that was your misguided aim, I could've done that for ya.

Originally posted by operator616

It's the same thing as being called "omnipotent"; there's countless examples where a character is referred to as being omnipotent when he isn't, most obvious is Odin, who's literally referred as being omnipotent in most (and i do mean it) of his appearances right from those old JiM issues. Just like Golden Age Superman comics (issue #17 iirc) had Luthor referred to as being "omnipotent" when he only achieved planetary level of omnipotence. Etc.. So yeah, this type of hyperbole has been for a while in comics.

This is about someone being called God by the writer. (as in, "he/she/name is God ... he/she/name became God)
... and then as you say, they are only planetary, which is laughable.

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...

After he actually became God in The End(also written by Starlin, btw), Thanos himself reflects on his stint with the Cube...

"With the Cosmic Cube I had manipulated facets of the divine, a very limited experience.":
http://i.imgur.com/TgLIWFl.jpg

And in the first issue of Thanos' solo series(also written by Starlin, btw) Thanos states that he literally became the Supreme Being/God after gleaning THOTI(duh):
http://i.imgur.com/DY2wFLI.jpg

Point: Starlin clearly revised his opinion of what God/Supreme Being-level power really is over the years. So despite the God-related in-comic dialogue Starlin made decades ago when Thanos wielded the CCU, far more recent dialogue from Starlin's works outright states that Thanos only manipulated certain facets(ie. aspects) of the divine while in possession of the CCU--he only gained true God/Supreme Being-level power after obtaining THOTI. Not saying that Thanos didn't possess a 'level' of infinite power/omnipotence with the CCU or w/e--but he wasn't God. Not in the literal sense, at least.🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master

And again, I was never arguing Thanos being universal or multiversal.
I was stating mainly that Thanos was God, so who gives a shit about anything else.
If he was "God" within 616, then he was all mighty within his house.

So, your point is "moot."

Huh?

So why were you denying that Thanos is only universal, then?

Because that's what this debate has been all about: You denying that Thanos is universal.

Not surprised at your insult-filled response, though. That's how they all end when i disagree with you (Well, at first you're respectful but then you get start getting angrier and angrier, kinda like the hulk). So ill leave it at that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...

After he actually became God in The End(also written by Starlin, btw), Thanos himself reflects on his stint with the Cube...

"With the Cosmic Cube I had manipulated facets of the divine, a very limited experience.":
http://i.imgur.com/TgLIWFl.jpg

And in the first issue of Thanos' solo series(also written by Starlin, btw) Thanos states that he literally became the Supreme Being/God after gleaning THOTI(duh):
http://i.imgur.com/DY2wFLI.jpg

Point: Starlin clearly revised his opinion of what God/Supreme Being-level power really is over the years. So despite the God-related in-comic dialogue Starlin made decades ago when Thanos wielded the CCU, far more recent dialogue from Starlin's works outright states that Thanos only manipulated certain facets(ie. aspects) of the divine while in possession of the CCU--he only gained true God/Supreme Being-level power after obtaining THOTI. Not saying that Thanos didn't possess a 'level' of infinite power/omnipotence with the CCU or w/e--but he wasn't God. Not in the literal sense, at least.🙂

I was actually going to mention that IG was at a higher level of omnipotence within reality than the cosmic cube....then the thought slipped my mind.

👆 Thanos had a "level of infinity" while wielding the CCU. Definitely a level of infinity lower than IG or HOTU. Basically, there are levels of "God" just as there are levels of infinity/omnipotence. HOTU > IG > CCU (all of which were referring to make the user God)

Good post.

^^ Not that good. 👇 ... No one can prove that was Starlin's thought process in the original CCU story.

Originally posted by Galan007
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet...

After he actually became God in The End(also written by Starlin, btw), Thanos himself reflects on his stint with the Cube...
"With the Cosmic Cube I had manipulated facets of the divine, a very limited experience.":
http://i.imgur.com/TgLIWFl.jpg
And in the first issue of Thanos' solo series(also written by Starlin, btw) Thanos states that he literally became the Supreme Being/God after gleaning THOTI(duh):
http://i.imgur.com/DY2wFLI.jpg

Point: Starlin clearly revised his opinion

If we're going to use updated info,
I could just as easily start bringing up the later far uber feats the CCU performed.
Which was in fact how this debate between opr and I got started.

But hey,
if there's anything else you can research further to help him out,
by all means be my guest, I've kind of adapted to that frequency.

So far, in the original story, (sans retcons) Thanos was God.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is exactly why it hasn't been brought up.
Cause the debate between opr and I was only taking the original story into consideration.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If we're going to use updated info,
I could just as easily start bringing up the later far uber feats the CCU performed.
Which was in fact how this debate between opr and I got started.

But hey,
if there's anything else you can research further to help him out,
by all means be my guest, I've kind of adapted to that frequency.

So far, in the original story, (sans retcons) Thanos was God.

Shouldn't be that big of a deal, imo. 🙂

Originally posted by operator616
Huh?

So why were you denying that Thanos is only universal, then?

Because that's what this debate has been all about: You denying that Thanos is universal.

So, where exactly is it that I deny something?

I requested scans, scans were posted and what? What?
I gave a thumbs up, and continued on my main course, the only avenue I followed the entire time from the very beginning:

Originally posted by Mr Master

It's a fair point.

But imo, we can call it "universal" or "multiversal" or "omniversal" and it's just a label.

In that story it was all powerful, it made Thanos "God"
... and the wielders are always basically unbeatable outside of plot.

Originally posted by operator616

Not surprised at your insult-filled response, though. That's how they all end when i disagree with you (Well, at first you're respectful but then you get start getting angrier and angrier, kinda like the hulk). So ill leave it at that.

Like calling my shit "faulty logic" based on some unrelated example, and then again, and then my shit is "moot."

So, you don't like yur own medicine, don't damage the debate by bringing your pretentiousness in here.

Originally posted by Galan007

Then it's a good thing Thanos/Starlin was specifically referring to when he originally acquired a CCU in that scan, eh?

That's also too bad for Thanos, cause it only retcons his particular experience,
but the CCU has still done Godly acts regardless of Starlin's input.

Originally posted by Galan007

Stop being so bitter. As operator can surely attest: we've disagreed with one another many-a-time(though I do appreciate that said disagreements always stay civil.) It just so happens that I agree with most of what he's saying here.

Shouldn't be that big of a deal, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
but the CCU has still done Godly acts regardless of Starlin's input.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't about opr. wink

Originally posted by Mr Master
Celestials may well indeed be above Cube beings. (not including Beyonder who's a special case)

? Special case?

Isn't Beyonder established as below Cube beings after the Secret Wars is retconned?