Galactus vs Thanos with Cosmic Cube

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operator616 Senior Member

It was specifically explained in issue #11, that the cosmic cube is what allowed Doom to overcome Galactus and use his power. the ultimate machine merely provided the knowledge, the helix let doom access the ultimate machine. and the cosmic control rod merely gave him proper control over the cosmic cube and the other items. But power-wise, overpowering Galactus was specfically attributed to the cosmis cube.

Also, Doom had multiversal power. Fully multiversal, in fact. He confirmed it when he said something akin to "all realities are mine".

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by operator616
Also, Doom had multiversal power. He confirmed when he said something akin to "all realities are mine".

Nah, I'd say that was just character hyperbole. Though given the multiversal-scale feats of CCUs(old school feats) and Galactus(more recent comics), I think there could be something behind that statement.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Epicurus
Nah, I'd say that was just character hyperbole.
I agree. After all, Thanos said something very similar to that after obtaining the IG--yet we know the IG was not fully multiversal, regardless of his boasting. /shrug

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Epicurus

Then why did Doom go to all the trouble of acquiring Galactus' power in that arc? Heck, why bother with the other devices at all if the cube alone can get the job done? Imo, that arc was very inconsistent.

Wait, you're actually implying that the Cube was not intended to be more powerful than Galactus in the story?

If so, we're wasting our time as that is an indisputable fact.

But I will respectfully address your reasonable inquiries. Doom thought G's power > Cube. He was wrong.

Originally posted by operator616

But power-wise, overpowering Galactus was specfically attributed to the cosmis cube.


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Originally posted by operator616

Also, Doom had multiversal power. Fully multiversal, in fact. He confirmed it when he said something akin to "all realities are mine".


Interesting. I missed that.
Originally posted by Galan007

I agree. After all, Thanos said something very similar to that after obtaining the IG--

yet we know the IG was not fully multiversal, regardless of his boasting. /shrug


When people say that, how exactly is it that "we" or anyone knows that?

There's only evidence that the IG did perform outside 616, and even outside/beyond the Multiverse. (in Thanos' hands)

Did Thanos destroy the multiverse? No. But I wonder, when did he try and failed?

In fact, aside from the Maelstrom comedy, when did Thanos try anything, and failed?

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wait, you're actually implying that the Cube was not intended to be more powerful than Galactus in the story?

I am saying that the arc was inconsistent. Initially we are shown Doom using these artifacts to covet the power of Galactus, but then later it's implied that just one of said artifacts is even more powerful? Awfully blatant inconsistency is not hard to spot.

cdtm Restricted

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wait, you're actually implying that the Cube was not intended to be more powerful than Galactus in the story?

If so, we're wasting our time as that is an indisputable fact.

But I will respectfully address your reasonable inquiries. Doom thought G's power > Cube. He was wrong.

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Interesting. I missed that.

When people say that, how exactly is it that "we" or anyone knows that?

There's only evidence that the IG did perform outside 616, and even outside/beyond the Multiverse. (in Thanos' hands)

Did Thanos destroy the multiverse? No. But I wonder, when did he try and failed?

In fact, aside from the Maelstrom comedy, when did Thanos try anything, and failed?

And that Thanos was so OOC, it should be retconned as a clone or imposter.

Personally, I thought he acted more like Mordru, with his lackeys being pretty obvious analogies of the Fatal Five..

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
When people say that, how exactly is it that "we" or anyone knows that?

There's only evidence that the IG did perform outside 616, and even outside/beyond the Multiverse. (in Thanos' hands)

Did Thanos destroy the multiverse? No. But I wonder, when did he try and failed?

In fact, aside from the Maelstrom comedy, when did Thanos try anything, and failed?

It's not about 'trying and failing'. It's about 'never doing'.

I'm not going to believe that a character can affect infinite universes just because they made an empty boast that they could. It takes quantifiable feats to earn a status of that magnitude--flowery statements alone aren't enough.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
It's not about 'trying and failing'. It's about 'never doing'.

I'm not going to believe that a character can affect infinite universes just because they made an empty boast that they could. It takes quantifiable feats to earn a status of that magnitude--flowery statements alone aren't enough.


Well, imo, the fact that Thanos could pop into any alternate reality (past/future) and be God,
plus easily taking over the center (Eternity) of all reality, (after stomping the cosmic hierarchy)
plus offensively being able to reach literally beyond/outside the trans-infinite Multiverse ... (Beyond Realm)

I like feats as u mentioned. Those are uber feats ... damn ... T gets no love. 🙁

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ Those are absolutely uber feats, not questioning that--they put Thanos /w/ IG solidly in the multi-universal tier, in terms of displayed scope/range of influence. However, he'd only earn a true multiversal status by warping an infinite amount of universes simultaneously, which he never did.

A lesser displayed scope of influence, however, doesn't change the fact that in Marvel the classic IG still made its user the undisputed top-dog of 616(sans legit TOAA-level power, of course.) 👆

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007

^ Those are absolutely uber feats, not questioning that--they put Thanos /w/ IG solidly in the multi-universal tier, in terms of displayed scope/range of influence. However, he'd only earn a true multiversal status by warping an infinite amount of universes simultaneously, which he never did.


But per plot, that wasn't Thanos' interest/aim, so u gotta take that into consideration good friend.
He basically only wanted to replace Eternity, and the LT didn't interfere cause this was confirmed.

Imo, affecting reality withIn the Beyon Realm out ranks anyting that takes place in the multiverse,
because the Beyond Realm makes the trans-infinite multiverse look insignificant.

Originally posted by Galan007

A lesser displayed scope of influence, however, doesn't change the fact that in Marvel the classic IG still made its user the undisputed top-dog of 616(sans legit TOAA-level power, of course.)


Cool, but you also have to add every single alternate reality that situates a Past or Future of 616. (countless)

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
But per plot, that wasn't Thanos' interest/aim, so u gotta take that into consideration good friend.
He basically only wanted to replace Eternity, and the LT didn't interfere cause this was confirmed.
Cool. Changes absolutely nothing I've said.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, affecting reality withIn the Beyon Realm out ranks anyting that takes place in the multiverse,
because the Beyond Realm makes the trans-infinite multiverse look insignificant.
Yeah, we've discussed this several times before. I [still] believe you're blowing that feat way out of proportion. I [still] do not believe Thanos inadvertently causing an 'actuality ripple' that ultimately reached the Beyond realm, equates to him possessing multiversal+ levels of power. I [still] think that is a tremendous stretch, to say the least.

However, I really don't care to beat that horse to death again in this thread. So IF you comment on said feat, I will simply ignore it. No offense intended, but I can only talk about the same topic so many times before I get sick of it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool, but you also have to add every single alternate reality that situates a Past or Future of 616. (countless)
You and I both know that doesn't make him multiversal--not in the literal/true sense.

Also, why are we debating Thanos /w/ IG here? He/it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Galan007

Cool. Changes absolutely nothing I've said.


Imo, it does.
Originally posted by Galan007

Yeah, we've discussed this several times before. I [still] believe you're blowing that feat way out of proportion. I [still] do not believe Thanos inadvertently causing an 'actuality ripple' that ultimately reached the Beyond realm, equates to him possessing multiversal+ levels of power. I [still] think that is a tremendous stretch, to say the least.


That's yur opinion and you know that's cool. But for the record:

It was not an "inadvertent" after affect. It was Thanos' psychic wave of destruction,
that began in 616 and worked its way out of 616 and ended up traveling beyond/outside the Multiverse
affecting reality in the Beyond Realm. It was also labeled his actuality ripple.

Originally posted by Galan007

However, I really don't care to beat that horse to death again in this thread. So IF you comment on said feat, I will simply ignore it. No offense intended, but I can only talk about the same topic so many times before I get sick of it.


Cooly cool, I'm only responding to interpretations being claimed.
Originally posted by Galan007

You and I both know that doesn't make him multiversal--not in the literal/true sense.


I never said multiversal. You highlighted 616. I simply highlighted all the other universes Thanos had access to.
Which is an infinite number of alternate Futures, or any Past there's ever been. (alternate realities likewise) in Marvel.
Originally posted by Galan007

Also, why are we debating Thanos /w/ IG here? He/it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.


You brought em up. 😛

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Mr Master
You brought em up. 😛
I brought up an empty boast Thanos /w/ IG made. You turned it into... This.

Mr Master Junior Member

oldsmokey Member

Thanos does well initially, then winds up losing the Cube because and gets trounced because that's what he does every ****ing time. Why are there Thanos fans again?

DTM Senior Member

Id side with a full powered Galactus to win here.