Originally posted by carthage
He posted that, it didn't end up int he quotes.
Originally posted by carthage
Not that you're one to talk yourself, saying Bane > Kun, Malgus, and Krayt. Lol
On the other hand calling Bane weak despite this quote shows you to be a biased ignorant asshat.
Bane has a quote that proves that he is one of the most powerful beings in the mythos. Such a statement is plausible in light of this quote.On the other hand calling Bane weak despite this quote shows you to be a biased ignorant asshat.
I've never called him weak. He just isn't stronger than other Sith lords.
Originally posted by carthage
I've never called him weak. He just isn't stronger than other Sith lords.
If you never called him weak then what the **** do you call this?
Originally posted by carthage
Bane sucks as a duelist
Originally posted by carthage
he is shit
Originally posted by carthage
all three Bane's are cannon fodder
Originally posted by carthage
He's no good.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which he shouldn't need if his immortality protected him. Immortal, not invulnerable. He's not dying from most fights, at least not right away, but he still can and could die, as far we know. Post-TOR, he's gone.
Yes, I understand that Emperor Vitiate wasn't invincible, nobody is invincible in Star Wars. The purpose of immortality is to cheat death and increase personal safeguard. Emperor Vitiate was extremely difficult to put down because of his great proficiency in the matters of immortality.
Also, it is unclear at the moment that exactly when and how Emperor Vitiate perished. His story is still in progress.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Father was obviously dying overtime, considering he said as much. Perhaps not in the same way as others, but he was losing strength. Otherwise, he wouldn't have summoned Anakin to begin with.
It should also be kept in mind that time passed in different fashion in Mortis then it did in normal galaxy.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You already know the answer to this, so don't even. Vitiate is a member and is the leader of the Sith Order. He's a Sith. Obviously someone who is not a member of said order is not a Sith.
Emperor Vitiate seemingly faked his Sith identity, he didn't want to reveal his true nature to his followers and this is why he banned visits to Nathema and even denied its existence. Emperor Vitiate did serve the Sith cause to great extent by reconstituting the ancient Sith Empire and improving the quality of Sith with passage of time but this wasn't his primary objective, everything was expendable to him including his own Empire. His true objective was to transform himself in to an omnipotent being of unbelievable power who would reshape the galaxies as he would seem fit or create life as per his liking or more. He wasn't focused on preserving the Sith cause like Sith are expected to and work hard for.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Based on what? His defeating of the Jedi Strike team doesn't show that he is above RotJ Sidious.
BTW, what you said about LeGenD is true, which is why most here do not take him seriously. Saying that Vitiate > Sidious is a little overboard, but to say Vitiate is on par with the ones of Mortis is outright stupidity.
Originally posted by carthage
And you've reached that determination based on what?
Originally posted by carthage
Killing a bunch of random no named darksiders,
Dark Council members are typically quality Sith, among the strongest practitioners of the dark side in any era they have existed.
To give you an hint:
While the undying Emperor serves as the unquestioned leader of the Empire, the twelve members of the Dark Council oversee the daily workings of their vast civilization and speak in the Emperor’s name. Each is among the most powerful Sith in the galaxy; to hold a seat on the council is the highest honor and the greatest position of influence a Sith can attain. The individual members of the Dark Council control their own spheres of influence and pyramids of subordinate Sith–overall Imperial military strategy falls in the hands of one Dark Council member, while study of ancient artifacts falls into the hands of another. These spheres occasionally overlap, leading to conflict. However, every Sith Lord and apprentice is ultimately answerable to the council member at the top of his or her pyramid. Similarly, non-Sith organizations are usually clearly answerable to one Dark Council member or another. Meetings of the Dark Council are normally held in the Citadel on Dromund Kaas or in the Sith Academy on Korriban. It’s rare for all members to gather at once–power plays among members are frequent, and several of the Dark Lords are virtual hermits. On the occasions when the Emperor summons them, however, all members of the Dark Council are expected to gather and obey. (from SWTOR)
It is seemingly impossible to handle a Strike Team of Dark Council members in a combat situation. Heck, Revan assessed that it would not be possible to purge an entire Dark Council without support from armies and Scourge's revelation shocked him and Meetra.
Vitiate's performance against a Strike Team of whole Dark Council is arguably the greatest display of power in single combat in the mythos till date as far as I am aware. If you have a comparable example then highlight it.
Originally posted by carthage
embracing a lightsaber to death,
Shit happens in battles and nobody is perfect or mistake-proof.
Originally posted by carthage
and getting his ass kicked in the one real combat situation he was in? Lol.
Emperor Vitiate have fought in many battles and possibly killed thousands during his span of existence. Logically, every battle was a real/serious development for him because his survival had been on the line each time.
Originally posted by carthage
When has Vitiate ever defeated someone close to his 'caliber' in a pure combat situation, sans prep, try never.
Also, what the hell is the fuss about his prep? What kind of preparation he needed prior to any engagement? Care to elaborate?
Emperor Vitiate didn't need any kind of preparation for his actions unless he wanted to destroy an entire world. He was supremely powerful in the ways of the Force and continued to grow in power with passage of time. He eventually reached a point when he could manifest himself within thousands of other individuals and manipulate his surroundings in unprecedented ways.
Originally posted by carthage
Stop pointing figures at others and focus on your own flaws and foolishness. I don't spam, I prefer to rely upon logic and accuracy.
Originally posted by carthage
🙄Vitiate's presence turned Dromund Kaas into a darkside nexus. Whatever feats of sorcery he does would be amped, and again off nexus and sans prep the best he did was blow back four masters. That's it. He didn't blitz 4 Jedi masters, move fast enough to be called a phantom, collapse ceilings, or demonstrate any similar feat to Palpatine. Try again
Also, Emperor Vitiate didn't need a nexus to be formidable in the ways of the Force. He was supremely strong in the dark side since birth. You need to drop this prep mantra.
Furthermore, Emperor Vitiate didn't blitz the Jedi because he wanted to use them as puppets to further his agenda, also blitzing was not an option against Jedi of such caliber. However, he had the option to destroy/kill the Jedi just like the Dark Council members.
Emperor Vitiate was also immensely fast, he performed really well against master swordsmen and such. Did you forget that entire duel between Revan and Emperor Vitiate lasted just some seconds? This duel comprised of some major actions from both sides.
Finally, Emperor Vitiate was immensely good in TK. He nearly atomized one of the toughest droids ever assembled in an instant and collapsed structures without even being physically present in the location while being at his most weakened point. Heck, servants of Vitiate could collapse structures and do lot of stuff with TK; Emperor Vitiate logically outgunned everybody.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This wasn't called for. LeGenD is well respected among these boards, despite his claims not always being true in the minds of the majority. He has immense knowledge on Revan, Vitiate, and the TOR universe, and while he might not fully respect other eras as much, that leaves you no right to insult him so publicly. 😬
Originally posted by carthage
Wasn't talking about Revan or the TOR universe, bro. Just his MASSIVE overhyping of Vitiate, which even you have gotten into and called him to task for Ant
Your massive underestimation of some characters is an issue that some members have noticed and called you upon them.
Vitiate did transform the environment of Dromund Kaas with his dark side practices and powers, made this world strong in the dark side. Yes, he also created a nexus of dark side energy in Dark Temple; however, Dromund Kaas was a not a nexus of dark side on the whole.
Thank you for confirming my point (see bold print) 👆. As he has made Kaas a nexus by virtue of your own admission, all of his feats can be called into question especially as unlike Palpatine he hasn't demonstrated any similar abilities outside of them
Also, Emperor Vitiate didn't need a nexus to be formidable in the ways of the Force. He was supremely strong in the dark side since birth. You need to drop this prep mantra.
Cuing the irrelevant nonsense you always post. I don't drop it seeing as his supposedly 00BER feats are either on Dromund Kaas, when he has Sith lords to sponge off of, or with immense prep. Sending four Jedi masters back isn't that impressive on its own, Kun and Krayt have all sent respective force users flying Vitiate just had three others to do it to
Furthermore, Emperor Vitiate didn't blitz the Jedi because he wanted to use them as puppets to further his agenda. Otherwise, he had the option to destroy/kill the Jedi just like the Dark Council members.
He did't do it because he has no relevant speed feats to suggest he is capable of doing it 👆. Being able to match and fight with Revan's speed is not the same as overwhelming their senses and killing them (like Krayt), or stabbing four people before they can react in one slice (Kun).
Finally, Emperor Vitiate was immensely good in TK. He nearly atomized one of the toughest droids ever assembled in an instant and collapsed structures without even being physically present in the location while being at his most weakened point. Heck, servants of Vitiate could collapse structures and do lot of stuff with TK; Emperor Vitiate logically outgunned everybody.
On a nexus that you admitted he created and drew from for feats he couldn't replicate elsewhere 👆
They were members or the Dark Council.Dark Council members are typically quality Sith, among the strongest practitioners of the dark side in any era they have existed.
Apart from some examples such as Baras, Nox, and Thanathon, title means nothing if you have no examples of power to show for it.
It is seemingly impossible to handle a Strike Team of Dark Council members in a combat situation. Heck, Revan assessed that it would not be possible to purge an entire Dark Council without support from armies and Scourge's revelation shocked him and Meetra.
They were scared of him, and of course because most of the dark council has no feats to suggest they can fight back.
Vitiate's performance against a Strike Team of whole Dark Council is arguably the greatest display of power in single combat in the mythos till date as far as I am aware. If you have a comparable example then highlight it.
Palpatine killing Tiin, Kolar, and Fisto for one? Seeing as he wasn't on a nexus when he blitzed them. Fighting the most powerful Jedi of all time and beating him, fighting and toying with Maul and Opress, choking Dooku across the galaxy, bringing Vader to his knees with thought domination. There is more I can list.
One real combat situation? You serious?Emperor Vitiate have fought in many battles and possibly killed thousands during his span of existence. Logically, every battle was a real/serious development for him because his survival had been on the line each time.
Too bad we're evaluating what actually happened, and his shit performance and how humiliatingly laughable he went down. There are no what ifs, he either fought someone or he didn't. If there is nothing to draw from in terms of his combat ability, then there is nothing to speak of and it is therefore irrelevant to the discussion. Palpatine defeated his era's best, Vitiate didn't.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This wasn't called for. LeGenD is well respected among these boards, despite his claims not always being true in the minds of the majority. He has immense knowledge on Revan, Vitiate, and the TOR universe, and while he might not fully respect other eras as much, that leaves you no right to insult him so publicly. 😬
LeGenD has a habit of lowballing characters from other eras, and overhyping characters he prefers, as well as making outrageous claims, such as Vitiate being on par with the ones of Mortis. Not to mention he consistently and viciously insults others who do not agree with him. So, no, my post about him was not uncalled for.
Most of the older members of this forum do not take him seriously, and I see that some of the newer ones are starting not to as well. Even in the TOR forums, where he was respected the most, many of the members there are starting to grow tired of his ways. When posters make strong cases as to why other characters are greater than Vitiate or Revan, LeGenD accuses them of labeling such characters as being invincible or untouchable.
Really, if you're not fully aware of my reasons of making such statements about a certain poster, then your input is what's uncalled for.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Carthage has a habit of lowballing characters from other eras, and overhyping characters he prefers, as well as making outrageous claims, such as Vitiate being on par with Obi Wan, and Bane being as weak as Coleman Trebor. Not to mention he consistently and viciously trolls others who do not agree with him.
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When have I ever overhyped characters I like lol. I go by feats and what they have done, I'm not the one digging through a treasure trove of quotes to compensate for his lack of showings with specific factors that make them stronger than he could do otherwise off nexus. The Bane and Coleman Trebor thing is obviously not true.
Originally posted by carthage
When have I ever overhyped characters I like lol.
Exar Kun? Oh my God...
Originally posted by carthage
I go by feats and what they have done, I'm not the one digging through a treasure trove of quotes to compensate for his lack of showings with specific factors that make them stronger than he could do otherwise off nexus.
Completely dismissing accolades out of hand isn't the way to go about it. Now obviously feats are more important than quotes, but when there's a character that's either less explored or doesn't have a shitton of combat showings, accolades help you to get a feel of the power of the person in question.
Originally posted by carthage
The Bane and Coleman Trebor thing is obviously not true.
Hence the trolling part I mentioned.
I've never hyped Kun he is perfectly capable of being beaten by scores of folk. Lol. His feats off nexus are simply better than Vitiate.
I dismiss his accolades because they all occur with prep or on a nexus. There is no logical reason to believe he is capable of doing the same things to other users off nexus, seeing as he sucks majorly in combat.