Originally posted by RobtardI gave advantages which are undeniable.
Dance all you like, in the end screen feats > your silly downplaying games. That's a fact.
Oberyn advantages
1. Quicker
2. More athletic
3. More skilled
Screen feats definitely prove Oberyn wins this. Watch how Sandor and Oberyn both matched up against Gregor. Did Sandor seem anywhere near as quick as Oberyn ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave advantages which are undeniable.Oberyn advantages
1. Quicker
2. More athletic
3. More skilledScreen feats definitely prove Oberyn wins this. Watch how Sandor and Oberyn both matched up against Gregor. Did Sandor seem anywhere near as quick as Oberyn ?
😂 poor example to use as Sandor did better against Gregor:
1) Sandor wasn't trying to harm Gregor
2) Sandor wasn't hit once
3) Sandor didn't need squire assistance
4) Sandor didn't die
Originally posted by RobtardFrom what i saw of Oberyn's fight with the mountain it was quit a bit different from what i remember the fight being like in the book.
Book and show Sandor are about the same in terms of lethalness.Book Oberyn > show Oberyn.
Watch the show, you'll still enjoy it despite the changes.
Show Oberyn made the mountain look like a scrub whereas in the book he was constantly running for his life, At least if i remember it correctly.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
From what i saw of Oberyn's fight with the mountain it was quit a bit different from what i remember the fight being like in the book.Show Oberyn made the mountain look like a scrub whereas in the book he was constantly running for his life, At least if i remember it correctly.
It's been many a year since I read the books, but I recall Oberyn toying with Gregor and yelling at Gregor far more.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Maybe, It's been a long time since i have read them aswell.
Two things I recall, Tyrion being in disbelief and saying something like: "No one makes a mockery of The Mountain!" when Oberyn started outclassing Gregor.
Then Tyrion throwing up after Oberyn gets crushed. They could have kept that scene. I’ve always wanted to be Dinklage vomit.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
From what i saw of Oberyn's fight with the mountain it was quit a bit different from what i remember the fight being like in the book.Show Oberyn made the mountain look like a scrub whereas in the book he was constantly running for his life, At least if i remember it correctly.
This is mostly correct.
Oberyn had his hands full at the very beginning of the fight. But, like predicted, Oberyn wore Gregor down. That was the plan the whole time, really.
You gotta give GRRM credit for writing that fight out to almost a realistic level. Generally, those types of fights were over in seconds. If they lasted long, the participants would get very very tired and exhausted (all that heavy armor and those big ass swords). Oberyn, in his cloth and leathers would definitely outlast Gregor in endurance. As long as he can steer clear of those power swings, he'll be able to wear Gregor down like he did in the books. It wasn't really like that in the show. It pretty much had Oberyn toying with Gregor the whole time and Gregor did not start huffing and puffing from exhaustion.
I saw something about that years ago on History (back when History Channel covered History...haha...awwww 🙁 )
i would trust ddm's word since unlike you two, he just read it for the first time (http://freebookonline.net/Fiction/A_Storm_of_Swords.html) and so it's new and fresh on his mind.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
i would trust ddm's word since unlike you two, he just read it for the first time (http://freebookonline.net/Fiction/A_Storm_of_Swords.html) and so it's new and fresh on his mind.
Why thank you for the compliment.
But I'd avoid posting stuff that is illegal. I reported your post. Here's hoping a scrupulous mod removes the link.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Why thank you for the compliment.But I'd avoid posting stuff that is illegal. I reported your post. Here's hoping a scrupulous mod removes the link.
"please mods, bail me out of this mess since i got caught copying focus' posts and subsequently shit myself." -durderpfail
Read it, Chapter 70. Oberyn was more of a badass in the book *book spoilers* :
-He never had a spear broken. When Gregor tried to break his spear, it was noted "he [Gregor] might as well have been trying to hack the wings off a fly" due to Oberyn's great speed and skill with the weapon.
-Oberyn wasn't tossed aside two times.
-Gregor did manage to get inside the spear once, so Oberyn dropped it to retreat to safety, only to get back in the fight moments later.
-From the very start Ellaria comments "Oberyn is toying with him" and that's pretty much the whole fight.
Originally posted by Robtard
😂 poor example to use as Sandor did better against Gregor:1) Sandor wasn't trying to harm Gregor
2) Sandor wasn't hit once
3) Sandor didn't need squire assistance
4) Sandor didn't die
1) he was swinging his sword against him.
Counter: Oberyn wasn't trying to kill Gregor either.
2) they both parried each other's swings.
3) Oberyn doesn't walk away from combat when he sees fire like a coward.
I don't think Oberyn needs squire assistance either but you already said Oberyn defeats Gregor anyway.
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4) cowards tend to live longer.
It is like saying you can beat up Bruce Lee because you outlived him.
Laughable.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
1) he was swinging his sword against him.Counter: Oberyn wasn't trying to kill Gregor either.
2) they both parried each other's swings.
3) Oberyn doesn't walk away from combat when he sees fire like a coward.
I don't think Oberyn needs squire assistance either but you already said Oberyn defeats Gregor anyway.
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4) cowards tend to live longer.
It is like saying you can beat up Bruce Lee because you outlived him.
Laughable.
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You used a poor example and it blew-up in your face again. You can't deal with it.
1) Does not counter what I said. Oberyn was trying to harm Gregor and stabbing someone in the chest, that's generally a kill strike. Gregor happened to have great damage soak.
2) Does not counter what I said. Oberyn was hit and knocked down twice. Squire was there to give him an extra weapon.
3) Does not counter what I said. Your desperate need to downplay Sandor is telling. See: Beric.
4) Does not counter what I said. Your desperate need to downplay Sandor is telling.
Not countering a single point I made again. That’s not how debating works.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, it didn't. You are getting really desperate.
You used a poor example and it blew-up in your face again.1) Does not counter what I said. Oberyn was trying to harm Gregor and stabbing someone in the chest, that's generally a kill strike. Gregor happened to have great damage soak.
2) Does not counter what I said. Oberyn was hit and knocked down twice. Squire was there to give him an extra weapon.
3) Does not counter what I said. Your desperate need to downplay Sandor is telling. See: Beric.
4) Does not counter what I said. Your desperate need to downplay Sandor is telling.
Not countering a single point I made again. That’s not how debating works.
1) Oberyn announced right from the start he was not going to kill him quickly of until he gave him the confession he wanted. Oberyn pulled it out of him. At no point does the Hound announce he is going to toy with his brother during the fight.
2) yes, it does counter it as you don't believe he needs two spears. You said Oberyn wins. Quit flip flopping all over the place like a fish.
3) What am I saying specifically that is downplaying him ?
4) See number three right above and answer this as well.
You said Oberyn wins against Gregor and now are claiming he needed a squire while ignoring him toying with Gregor along with everything else including your own opinion.
Irony abounds.
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’Robtard said I was desperate so I’m going to say he is desperate.’ That’s the best you can do.
-Stabbing someone with a spear is trying to harm them. The chest stab was a kill move. Note Oberyn's words "No, no, you can't die yet". Watch the Sandor/Gregor scene and pay attention to the fight and to Baelish (that’s Little Finger), context matters. DDM already spelled it out for you.
-This point was about Sandor not being hit once and Oberyn being hit twice with their fights with Gregor. So you’re trying a Red Herring to dance away from a point you still can’t counter.
-Implying that Sandor’s fear of fire would factor here and ignoring that despite his fear, he trucks on through in a duel. See: Beric
-Calling Sandor a coward, when he is anything but. This is all you have, nonsense tactics.
The inevitable strawman tactics from you and incorrectly stating “irony” because you can’t counter a single point of mine.
Originally posted by RobtardIrony.
’Robtard said I was desperate so I’m going to say he is desperate.’ That’s the best you can do.-Stabbing someone with a spear is trying to harm them. The chest stab was a kill move. Note Oberyn's words "No, no, you can't die yet". Watch the Sandor/Gregor scene and pay attention to the fight and to Baelish (that’s Little Finger), context matters. DDM already spelled it out for you.
-This point was about Sandor not being hit once and Oberyn being hit twice with their fights with Gregor. So you’re trying a Red Herring to dance away from a point you still can’t counter.
-Implying that Sandor’s fear of fire would factor here and ignoring that despite his fear, he trucks on through in a duel. See: Beric
-Calling Sandor a coward, when he is anything but. This is all you have, nonsense tactics.
The inevitable strawman tactics from you and incorrectly stating “irony” because you can’t counter a single point of mine.
Again, he said he won't kill him quickly. We know since he had to pull the spear out of him. Again, Sandor didn't do anything of special note outside parry a few sword swings in that instance.
Oberyn fought him for a much longer time and showed he was far faster due to weighing a lot less, being a smaller man, etc.
Yes, he does but he was still scared. We see him abandon his post during the invasion in another battle. You can't paint everything as black and white. There is grey as evidenced by him during the invasion chickening out.
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He is cowardly when it comes to fire. He won't let someone clean away a possible infection due to his fear on top of everything else. We know he is scared of fire due to his brother victimizing him at a very early age.
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I have countered every single one of your points for the last few posts now.
Also irony.
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Originally posted by RobtardNo, it hasn't. Continuing to ignore my counters isn't debating.
You have yet to counter a single original point and everything you've said right now has already been addressed and rebutted in one of my previous replies. When you're able to stop the fallacy tactics, nonsense distractions and downplays, LMK.
Oberyn is quicker, wields a different weapon, and wouldn't tire as easily as Sandor who you yourself openly admit isn't as strong as his brother. You also admitted Oberyn defeats Gregor and then pretended he needs a squire in by versus thread. Make up your on mind.
Now make like the Hound when he sees fire and evacuate this thread as it belongs to Oberyn.
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