Red Viper vs. Hound

Originally posted by focus4chumps
keeping jamie "at bay" just says she was blocking his attacks, obvious butthurt troll. spin your wheels some more.

So, this part, which destroys your entire point, means nothing to you, right?

"It had been all that she could..."

It wasn't, "She did just enough..." and it wasn't, "She only tried to defend, never go on the offensive." The words were, "It had been all that she could..."

Make fun of me all you want. Disagree with me all you want. There is not word games you can play, this time, to get out of hotwater. You were wrong. I proved your wrong directly with a quote from the book. There is no "if" "ands" or "buts" about it. You're wrong. Not stop throwing a fit and just admit it. For once in your entire life, admit to being wrong.

nope. it simply means it took all her effort to keep from getting slashed/hacked/stabbed by jamie's onslaught.

you're just trying to play semantics games AGAIN and rescript the story you never read AGAIN because you got caught asserting a complete falsehood AGAIN.

get madder, chimpy.

Brienne crushed Jaime with contemptuous ease in the show, while Jaime was weakened.

Brienne had a close fight with Sandor, while Sandor was weakened.

Therefore Sandor beats Jaime in the show.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
nope. it simply means it took all her effort to keep from getting slashed/hacked/stabbed by jamie's onslaught.

you're just trying to play semantics games AGAIN and rescript the story you never read AGAIN because you got caught asserting a complete falsehood AGAIN.

get madder, chimpy.

And you just admit to me being right, in this post, and then proceed to contradict that. Oh well. That's the closest I will get to you admitting you're wrong. If you did that on purpose, I appreciate you trying to admit I was right and I can apprecaite that you're trying to maintain your persona of one that never admits fault (even if it is hilarious how wrong you are). As to the rest, like I said, already have quotes to post so I don't need to address you subsequent arguments:

Originally posted by dadudemon
bzzzzt, wrong! 😄

"It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay."

Edit -Your supposed point complete dissolves when you realize she contradicts herself, in the next book, when recalling that very same fight. What she said versus what she actually thought of the fight are clearly different things. Why would she admit that she was giving it her all just to keep from getting hacked to pieces by an emaciated and shackled Jaime? That would be a very stupid thing to admit out-loud. Luckily, we get to peek into her mind and know what she actually thought rather than some posturing dialogue that happened during the moment. She correctly played her cards because she knew Jaime was not in fighting form. All she had to do was keep from getting hacked to pieces as Jaime wore himself down.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have read the books, though, and Brienne says in the books that she was giving it all she had against an emaciated and shackled Jaime.

We don't know if she's "pulling punches" in the show because she never says she was or was not. But we can infer she wasn't pulling punches, in the show, because the book says she wasn't. There is nothing to suggest one way or the other in the show so the book should create cause to lean one way instead of the other.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Brienne crushed Jaime with contemptuous ease in the show, while Jaime was weakened.

Brienne had a close fight with Sandor, while Sandor was weakened.

Therefore Sandor beats Jaime in the show.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Brienne crushed Jaime with contemptuous ease in the show, while Jaime was weakened.

The second time I watched the fight, it didn't seem so one-sided. It seemed rather even with Jaime eventually getting the upper-hand as he tried harder and harder. This is in contrast to the books where Jaime gets weaker and weaker.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Brienne crushed Jaime with contemptuous ease in the show, while Jaime was weakened.

Brienne had a close fight with Sandor, while Sandor was weakened.

Therefore Sandor beats Jaime in the show.

😬

Originally posted by marwash22

i think Jaime was in worse condition than Sandor was.

I also wasn't really serious.

Except about how Brienne easily beat Jaime. That happened.

Originally posted by marwash22
Jaime said himself that she wasn't trying to hurt him. She was being defensive, based on her fight with The Hound, pretty sure she could have pushed Jaime's shit in if she wanted to.

From the quote, she didn't have a choice but to defend. She was giving it her all just to defend. She didn't have the option to go on the offensive until Jaime wore himself out.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And you just admit to me being right, in this post, and then proceed to contradict that. Oh well. That's the closest I will get to you admitting you're wrong. If you did that on purpose, I appreciate you trying to admit I was right and I can apprecaite that you're trying to maintain your persona of one that never admits fault (even if it is hilarious how wrong you are). As to the rest, like I said, already have quotes to post so I don't need to address you subsequent arguments:

you know you're wrong and thats why you're spinning your wheels. thats why you wont contradict the same fact in the TV forum thread. because you know you'll get called on it and embarrassed. here you're free to spew your nonsensical bullshit and derail the topic. your childish game is obvious. ridiculous clown.

Originally posted by dadudemon
From the quote, she didn't have a choice but to defend. She was giving it her all just to defend. She didn't have the option to go on the offensive until Jaime wore himself out.

the fight as depicted in the show does not even match what was written in the book.

Originally posted by marwash22
why are you talking about the book? Except for the show being based on them, it really has nothing to do with the books. The Show is it's own entity and that quote you're referencing is not in the show.

the fight as depicted in the show does not even match what was written in the book.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We don't know if she's "pulling punches" in the show because she never says she was or was not. But we can infer she wasn't pulling punches, in the show, because the book says she wasn't. There is nothing to suggest one way or the other in the show so the book should create cause to lean one way instead of the other.

Originally posted by marwash22
why are you talking about the book? Except for the show being based on them, it really has nothing to do with the books. The Show is it's own entity and that quote you're referencing is not in the show.

ddm wanted to prove that brienne was trying to kill jamie in the show. when that was proven wrong he tried to claim that in the books brienne was trying to kill jamie. now that this was also proven wrong, the thread will have to be derailed for 10 pages or so. thats why. (you asked)

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you know you're wrong and thats why you're spinning your wheels. thats why you wont contradict the same fact in the TV forum thread. because you know you'll get called on it and embarrassed. here you're free to spew your nonsensical bullshit and derail the topic. your childish game is obvious. ridiculous clown.

You'll have to do better than a grade-school dare.

Why don't you just say, "I double-dog dare you to argue with me in the Game of Thrones thread so Ushgarak will get mad!"

I've tried to argue with you there about important points to the characters and plot. You won't respond to me. You know Ushgarak wouldn't stand for your bullshit, there. It is probably a good idea that you don't respond to me because, unlike you, I can post calmly and you lose your shit, almost every post.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
ddm wanted to prove that brienne was trying to kill jamie in the show.

Strawman:

Originally posted by dadudemon
From the quote, she didn't have a choice but to defend. She was giving it her all just to defend. She didn't have the option to go on the offensive until Jaime wore himself out.

Focus, why do you hate dadudemon so much?

Jesus dude, I haven't seen this much hatred for another person since I brought up a black boyfriend to my dad (This never actually happened, I'm not that dumb).

YouTube video

@2:02

"Bit of a quandary for you, If you kill me, you fail lady Stark"

@2:30

"see, if you were willing to hurt me, you might have had me there"

she was toying with him, basically doing the same thing Oberyn did to Gregor. She was not trying to kill him, or even hurt him.

what's written in the book is irrelevant.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Focus, why do you hate dadudemon so much?

I've stated why: because I'm the only person who has consistently proven him wrong, time and time again. Since he cannot admit he's wrong and NPD, the heavy dose of cognitive dissonance makes him just want to tear into me to save his ego.

Additionally, in his lengthy drunken driatribe on Bardock's forum, he also further states why. But, I disagree with that diatribe's conclusion. I don't think he's doing it for fun/to troll. I think he's the very thing he denies in that diatribe: genuinely buttmad.

Originally posted by marwash22
YouTube video

@2:02

"Bit of a quandary for you, If you kill me, you fail lady Stark"

@2:30

"see, if you were willing to hurt me, you might have had me there"

she was toying with him, basically doing the same thing Oberyn did to Gregor. She was not trying to kill him, or even hurt him.

what's written in the book is irrelevant.

So like the books.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
indeed, quanshoes. how could the hound's fighting abilities possibly be impeded with an injured and infected shoulder? clown

He didn't damage his shoulder to where fighting or punching ailed him. We saw him fight with all out rage just fine. He lost. Commence your tears.