OI!
Since the last episode, who does The Hound compare to a healthy and whole Jaime Lannister? An emaciated and out-of-shape Jaime Lannister gave Brienne a pretty good run for her money. So does he fair better against The Hound, healthy and whole, than Brienne of Tarth?
I say yes. I say he takes it 9 out of 10 times against The Hound. I don't think there is a need for a thread on it, though.
The Hound was sick when he fought Brienne, they made it a point to tell us his that he's "slowing down" due to infection two eps ago.
Had he been whole, that fight would have gone to him, imo. Which is no disrespect to Brienne, she's a superb warrior.
But Jamie would take the Hound, if Jamie is as good as he thinks he is.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
brienne was not trying to kill jamie since she was charged with bringing him safely to king's landing, obviously. not sure how you missed that detail since it was clearly depicted in the show.
I have read the books, though, and Brienne says in the books that she was giving it all she had against an emaciated and shackled Jaime.
We don't know if she's "pulling punches" in the show because she never says she was or was not. But we can infer she wasn't pulling punches, in the show, because the book says she wasn't. There is nothing to suggest one way or the other in the show so the book should create cause to lean one way instead of the other.
Originally posted by dadudemon
OI!Since the last episode, who does The Hound compare to a healthy and whole Jaime Lannister? An emaciated and out-of-shape Jaime Lannister gave Brienne a pretty good run for her money. So does he fair better against The Hound, healthy and whole, than Brienne of Tarth?
I say yes. I say he takes it 9 out of 10 times against The Hound. I don't think there is a need for a thread on it, though.
Yes, I'd definitely give pre-dismemberment Jaime the better odds against a similarly healthy Hound. Remember, he claimed that only 4 people in King's Landing were capable of possibly matching him in combat. I'm willing to bet that the Clegane brothers definitely count as part of those whom Jaime was talking about.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Well, the Hound had suffered from a pretty nasty wound in the previous episodes, and was beginning to show signs of infection(Arya noted it) prior to the season finale.Yes, I'd definitely give pre-dismemberment Jaime the better odds against a similarly healthy Hound. Remember, he claimed that only 4 people in King's Landing were capable of possibly matching him in combat. I'm willing to bet that the Clegane brothers definitely count as part of those whom Jaime was talking about.
Originally posted by Robtard
The Hound was sick when he fought Brienne, they made it a point to tell us his that he's "slowing down" due to infection two eps ago.Had he been whole, that fight would have gone to him, imo.
But Jamie would take the Hound, if Jamie is as good as he thinks he is.
That sounds fair. I didn't know if his injuries had a factor in the fight. Last ep, he looked about to keel over.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I have read the books, though, and Brienne says in the books that she was giving it all she had against an emaciated and shackled Jaime.
she was not trying to kill him. keep dancing around that miniscule point that proves you completely incorrect.
Originally posted by dadudemon
We don't know if she's "pulling punches" in the show because she never says she was or was not.
the dilemma was clearly depicted in both book and show as brienne was under a sacred oath to cat, to bring jamie to king's landing safely. she was not trying to kill him, which was obvious to everyone, show-watcher and book-reader alike. everyone but you and eventually quan, because obvious butthurt agenda.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
she was not trying to kill him. keep dancing around that miniscule point that proves you completely incorrect.the dilemma was clearly depicted in both book and show as brienne was under a sacred oath to cat, to bring jamie to king's landing safely. she was not trying to kill him, which was obvious to everyone, show-watcher and book-reader alike. everyone but you and eventually quan, because obvious butthurt agenda.
Well, I disagree. There is a difference between trying to kill someone and fighting for your life (by defending). That difference seems to be lost on you. Additionally, you're so very contentious...all the time. I could say, "black" and you would furiously type "WHITE!"
Also, you can continue to ignore where Brienne said she was fighting for her life, in the books...that does not bode well for your position. In fact, I have covered every last point that there is to cover in this little rage feast of yours. I can just quote my posts from now on against any point you might bring up. The books speak much louder than your opinion/agenda to disagree with me about anything.
breathless, he stepped back and let the point of the sword fall to the gro
und, giving her
a moment of respite."Not half bad", he acknowledged. "For a wench."
She took a slow deep breath, her eyes watching him warily.
"I would not hurt you, Kingslayer."
"As if you could."
He whirled the blade back up above his head and flew
at her again, chains
rattling.
Instead she forced him back into the brook again, shouting, “Yield! Throw down the sword!”
A slick stone turned under Jaime’s foot. As he felt himself falling, he twisted the mischance into a diving lunge. His point scraped past her parry and bit into her upper thigh. A red flower blossomed, and Jaime had an instant to savor the sight of her blood before his knee slammed into a rock. The pain was blinding. Brienne splashed into him and kicked away his sword. “YIELD!”
Jaime drove his shoulder into her legs, bringing her down on top of him. They rolled, kicking and punching until finally she was sitting astride him. He managed to jerk her dagger from its sheath, but before he could plunge it into her belly she caught his wrist and slammed his hands back on a rock so hard he thought she’d wrenched an arm from its socket. Her other hand spread across his face. “Yield!” She shoved his head down, held it under, pulled it up. “Yield!” Jaime spit water into her face. A shove, a splash, and he was under again, kicking uselessly, fighting to breathe. Up again. “Yield, or I’ll drown you!”
“And break your oath?” he snarled. “Like me?”
She let him go, and he went down with a splash.
And the woods rang with coarse laughter.
she and GRRM made it clear that she wasnt trying to kill him. now ignore the evidence and go into another chimp-rage. tourist.
Originally posted by RobtardSpeculation. He was beaten due to skill and then crushed strength wise. I couldn't stop 😂
The Hound was sick when he fought Brienne, they made it a point to tell us his that he's "slowing down" due to infection two eps ago.Had he been whole, that fight would have gone to him, imo. Which is no disrespect to Brienne, she's a superb warrior.
But Jamie would take the Hound, if Jamie is as good as he thinks he is.
The hound is definitely right up your alley. He also has no honor and is a disgusting crybaby who begged as well.
Originally posted by EpicurusHe was fine in the fight and showed no signs of being anything less than at his best. He got curbed. I still have a smile on my face at how pathetic he was.
Well, the Hound had suffered from a pretty nasty wound in the previous episodes, and was beginning to show signs of infection(Arya noted it) prior to the season finale.Yes, I'd definitely give pre-dismemberment Jaime the better odds against a similarly healthy Hound. Remember, he claimed that only 4 people in King's Landing were capable of possibly matching him in combat. I'm willing to bet that the Clegane brothers definitely count as part of those whom Jaime was talking about.
😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation. He was beaten due to skill and then crushed strength wise. I couldn't stop 😂The hound is definitely right up your alley. He also has no honor and is a disgusting crybaby who begged as well.
No, not "speculation", as we literally have evidence both spoken and shown that the Hound is not 100%. He was sick when he fought. The show > your old played out antics.
I think it's funny that you hate The Hound, one of the show's best characters no less, simply because I said "I like The Hound." I control you; it makes me laugh.
Originally posted by RobtardHe was infected sure but it didn't impede his abilities in the fight he started. His strength was laudable when put to the test. I couldn't ask for a more humiliating performance if I penned the battle myself.
No, not "speculation", as we literally have evidence both spoken and shown that the Hound is not 100%. He was sick when he fought. The show > your old played out antics.I think it's funny that you hate The Hound, one of the show's best characters no less, simply because I said "I like The Hound." I control you; it makes me laugh.
I like the Hound. I just don't relate to someone with no honor, who runs in the middle of battle and deserts his duties, gets crushed skill wise while admitting right after he has no honor, and then beaten in a slugfest to a woman.
Cool character I just don't relate to those traits. I relate to Oberyn. It is all subjective so saying one of the best characters is purely subjective but its fun to see you cry about it. Watching him beg at the end also made me pity him. He didn't have one happy memory. You relate to him obviously. No worries. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was infected sure but it didn't impede his abilities in the fight he started. His strength was laudable when put to the test. I couldn't ask for a more humiliating performance if I penned the battle myself.I like the Hound. I just don't relate to someone with no honor, who runs in the middle of battle and deserts his duties, gets crushed skill wise while admitting right after he has no honor, and then beaten in a slugfest to a woman.
Cool character I just don't relate to those traits. I relate to Oberyn. It is all subjective so saying one of the best characters is purely subjective but its fun to see you cry about it. Watching him beg at the end also made me pity him. He didn't have one happy memory. You relate to him obviously. No worries. 🙂
Except of course the writers deliberately told us 2 eps ago that he's "slowing down" because of the infection/sickness. Did you not pay attention and missed something else again? Seems you did.
More flips. You clearly do not like the character; it started right when you heard I liked the character. This is you and your tired old antics.
You hate The Hound now; I laugh at you.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
she and GRRM made it clear that she wasnt trying to kill him. now ignore the evidence and go into another chimp-rage. tourist.
Well, thus ends another one of your poor attempts at proving me wrong about something:
Originally posted by dadudemon
I found it...the reference that Jaime is the best knight in all the land:A Feast for Crows: Chapter 4, second to last page:
"Brienne remembered her fight with Jaime Lannister in the woods. It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay. He was weak from his imprisonment, and chained at the wrists. No knight in the Seven Kingdoms could have stood against him at his full strength, with no chains to hamper him. Jaime had done many wicked things, but the man could fight!"
Brush up on your GRRM ASOIAF series, bro. You appear to be a bit rusty.
that does not even hint that brienne was trying to kill jamie, you pathetic moron with your pathetic butthurt agenda.
my quoted passages prove the fact that she wasnt trying to kill him. she even outright, SAID IT yet you ignore it.
once again you were proven inept on the topic so now it's time for you to spin your wheels and chimp-rage again.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
that does not even hint that brienne was trying to kill jamie, you pathetic moron with your pathetic butthurt agenda.
bzzzzt, wrong! 😄
"It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay."
You're getting angrier and angrier as you have this discussion with me because you're realizing I'm inexorably right.
I warned you. I told you all I had to do was quote myself. 🙂 Will you concede if someone else, say, Robtard, agrees with me?
Edit - I noticed you edited your post. Cool. Your supposed point complete dissolves when you realize she contradicts herself, in the next book, when recalling that very same fight. What she said versus what she actually thought of the fight are clearly different things. Why would she admit that she was giving it her all just to keep from getting hacked to pieces by an emaciated and shackled Jaime? That would be a very stupid thing to admit out-loud. Luckily, we get to peek into her mind and know what she actually thought rather than some posturing dialogue that happened during the moment. She correctly played her cards because she knew Jaime was not in fighting form. All she had to do was keep from getting hacked to pieces as Jaime wore himself down.
Originally posted by dadudemon
bzzzzt, wrong! 😄"It had been all that she could do to keep his blade at bay."
You're getting angrier and angrier as you have this discussion with me because you're realizing I'm inexorably right.
I warned you. I told you all I had to do was quote myself. 🙂 Will you concede if someone else, say, Robtard, agrees with me?
keeping jamie "at bay" just says she was blocking his attacks, obvious butthurt troll. spin your wheels some more.