SWTOR Revan, Bastila Shan, Satele Shan, Lord Scourge vs Full-Power Vitiate

Originally posted by Texas Hold Em
Such as?

By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.

Example 2 (Related to Example 1):-

The legendary Jedi Revan and Malak confront the Sith Emperor in his throne room on Dromund Kaas. In mere moments, the Jedi lay defeated and consumed by the dark side of the Force.

Example 3:-

"If your information proves false, however," the Emperor added, "you will suffer a fate more terrible than anything you can imagine." As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self.

Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation.

It was over as quickly as it had begun, the awful vision retreating into his subconscious like a repressed memory as Scourge picked himself up off the floor.

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Now point out to me the so-called preparation aspect of telepathic actions performed in these examples.

Originally posted by Texas Hold Em
In the middle or late 2013.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Yeno gather your energies, like most force wielders have to do before unleashing powers on that kind of magnitude. Not things that can generally be done with a flick of the finger

Emperor Vitiate does not needs to gather power to telepathically influence his surroundings. He performs this action rather quickly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]Example 1:-

By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.

Example 2 (Related to Example 1):-

The legendary Jedi Revan and Malak confront the Sith Emperor in his throne room on Dromund Kaas. In mere moments, the Jedi lay defeated and consumed by the dark side of the Force.

Example 3:-

"If your information proves false, however," the Emperor added, "you will suffer a fate more terrible than anything you can imagine." As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self.

Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation.

It was over as quickly as it had begun, the awful vision retreating into his subconscious like a repressed memory as Scourge picked himself up off the floor.

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Now point out to me the so-called preparation aspect of telepathic actions performed in these examples.

Prove this. [/B]

The evidence for Karpyshyn's claim was posted at around that time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan's defensive capabilities are not valid for other individuals here. It is a strong possibility that all others barring Revan may succumb utterly to telepathic influence of Emperor Vitiate.

Even Revan himself is not immune to telepathic influence of Emperor Vitiate, he was simply better prepared to handle this kind of threat during the second encounter between him and the Emperor.

The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side. Jedi Master Tol Braga's strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader's oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil. (SWTOR)

Not at all, all Revan did was TK the Emperor to stop him from doing it. Also he can probably just teach the people a second before. He casually said he'd teach Meetra and Scourge how to do it.

Tol Braga also says that Vitiate dominated him "with a thought", for what its worth Legend.

Meh. Revan resists Vitiate's mind domination for 300 years.

Revan isn't the weak link in that regard. He's already shrugged it off. The weak links are Bastila and Satele who have no experience with Vitiate's mind control at all. And Scourge has already stated that his weakness to it.

Lol Vitiate's mind control is the most wanked ability since giga drain. He's not using it on Bastilla and Satele without Revan putting Vitiate on his ass.

Revan may have resisted, but only because of the exile. And afterwards, he came out broken and mostly insane, and much weaker then he was before.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not at all, all Revan did was TK the Emperor to stop him from doing it. Also he can probably just teach the people a second before. He casually said he'd teach Meetra and Scourge how to do it.

Incorrect, it was NOT TK, he had learnt to shield his mind, My God, how many times does this have to be explained?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Revan isn't the weak link in that regard. He's already shrugged it off. The weak links are Bastila and Satele who have no experience with Vitiate's mind control at all. And Scourge has already stated that his weakness to it.

Revan never shrugged it of, were did you get such an idea from? In fact if this is the Revan from TOR game then he loses soundly, since he is weaker then Revan Reborn

Originally posted by Texas Hold Em
I'm pretty sure that in the first two examples, Vitiate had been waiting for them. As for the last, I'm not sure it qualifies as mind domination.

The evidence for Karpyshyn's claim was posted at around that time.

Oh FOR ****S SAKE! Karpyshyn's statement was unofficial.

Originally posted by Texas Hold Em
I'm pretty sure that in the first two examples, Vitiate had been waiting for them. As for the last, I'm not sure it qualifies as mind domination.

Example 3 also confirms that Emperor Vitiate doesn't needs to prepare to telepathically influence someone. Emperor Vitiate did not break Scourge but he gave him a glimpse of his offensive telepathic capabilities in split-second or lesser period.

Originally posted by Texas Hold Em
The evidence for Karpyshyn's claim was posted at around that time.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not at all, all Revan did was TK the Emperor to stop him from doing it. Also he can probably just teach the people a second before. He casually said he'd teach Meetra and Scourge how to do it.

It remains to be seen how effective others would be at countering the telepathic influence of Emperor Vitiate even if Revan teaches them the technique, I am not sure if everybody can perform as well as Revan was able to.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Meh. Revan resists Vitiate's mind domination for 300 years.

Originally posted by Kadan
Revan never shrugged it of, were did you get such an idea from? In fact if this is the Revan from TOR game then he loses soundly, since he is weaker then Revan Reborn

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol Vitiate's mind control is the most wanked ability since giga drain. He's not using it on Bastilla and Satele without Revan putting Vitiate on his ass.

Telepathic powers are not like conventional powers, Emperor Vitiate would telepathically influence everybody near him with just his presence.

His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred.

However, some may not end up broke outright so Emperor Vitiate may have to exert to break them:

The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol Vitiate's mind control is the most wanked ability since giga drain.

Karpyshyn emphatically confirmed my theory going back since Revan's release. Vitiate can't enthrall any Jedi Master or Sith Lord of note without preparation. He can't do it off the cuff and, to my knowledge, there exists no evidence to the contrary.

He drew strength from Ghost Meetra.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol Vitiate's mind control is the most wanked ability since giga drain. He's not using it on Bastilla and Satele without Revan putting Vitiate on his ass.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Karpyshyn emphatically confirmed my theory going back since Revan's release. Vitiate can't enthrall any Jedi Master or Sith Lord of note without preparation. He can't do it off the cuff and, to my knowledge, there exists no evidence to the contrary.

Don't you guys know Vitiate is the Evil Professor X?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Karpyshyn emphatically confirmed my theory going back since Revan's release. Vitiate can't enthrall any Jedi Master or Sith Lord of note without preparation. He can't do it off the cuff and, to my knowledge, there exists no evidence to the contrary.

"Emphatically?" Bullshit. Non-officially and with Drew stating he had no idea about the canon facts.

Tol Braga stated that Vitiate dominated his mind with "a thought" and we see Scourge being shat on just by touching his mind, which is supported by Servant 1 going utterly insane just from being exposed to Vitiates will. Swtore and the codex also says that he destroyed the minds of dozens Jedi who "came too close to him" and that "His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred."

Theres no evidence at all that he requires prep, and lots suggesting the opposite.

Originally posted by Nephthys
"Emphatically?" Bullshit. Non-officially and with Drew stating he had no idea about the canon facts.

Tol Braga stated that Vitiate dominated his mind with "a thought" and we see Scourge being shat on just by touching his mind, which is supported by Servant 1 going utterly insane just from being exposed to Vitiates will. Swtore and the codex also says that he destroyed the minds of dozens Jedi who "came too close to him" and that "His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred."

Theres no evidence at all that he requires prep, and lots suggesting the opposite.

Karpyshyn helped create the character, was involved in the design of the game, and literally wrote the book about the guy. I'd say he has a pretty refined grasp of the character's abilities and limitations.

It's been 3 years; your butthurt over the fact that I had a better understanding of the character right out of the gate than you should have dulled by now.

As far as the rest is concerned, how would Tol Braga know it required a thought from Vitiate? Can he read Vitiate's mind? Scourge shat himself when Vitiate knew Scourge was coming in the heart of a dark nexus. And if there were "none" who could stand in Vitiate's presence without succumbing, then the climactic showdown in Revan would have been much shorter, wouldn't you say?

His words are still non-official and completely meaningless. My opinion has as much weight as that email.

Actually if you'd recall I had your back at the beginning. After learning more about him and playing the game I was convinced of the other sides argument.

Um, Tol Braga was kind of there when it happened and obviously their minds were linked at the time. He would know if it only took Vitiate a single flex of his will to dominate him. A nexus would boost Scourge just as it would Vitiate so that's pointless to point out and Vitiate didn't know he was coming until like 10 seconds before he walked in. It's an exaggeration, but it still implies that Vitiate needs no preparation and that corruption is a simply process for him to perform.