Gradiator with the ebony blade Vs. Morg with WOL

Originally posted by abhilegend
He never found a planet for Galactus. And yes, Galactus was with him when he found the planet.

Surfer went to Galactus in search for Nova. Morg didn't find him.

Morg has never displayed CA. He was an idiot who went h2h with everyone and never thought about consequences. FFS he tried to fight Galactus in his mortal guise.

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His axe has no showings that even shows it to be near Cap's shield. Quit randomly granting powers to characters and weapons.

Yes Morg did find planets on his own he went back to his original planet to destroy it. Get your facts straight, he also found other planets without Galactus being with him. You're being really stupid right now Abhi (it's slap worthy tbh). Galactus made him to find planets for him so that he would not have to do so himself. You know what, I'm about to place you on ignore again for your poor conduct. You're problem is attempting to play people like idiots. Stop it.

Morg has CA or he would not be able to find his way back to Galactus' ship. Actually that's exactly what I'm going to do, because you can't admit when you're wrong, and in this case I know that you are. I have his appearances, and read the books.

The axe broke Terrax's axe, and this is why Terrax stole Morg's axe in the first place. It has no low showings for you to claim a thing. I told you to be careful with your next words, and now you have egg on your face. Will you continue acting up? Yep no doubt.

Oh and the Surfer left Morg, and did you know that it doesn't take long to lose sight of something as small as a human body in space? he tracked the Surfer down, but that's besides the point. All of the Heralds were granted with the ability to find distant planets due to CA.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yes Morg did find planets on his own he went back to his original planet to destroy it.

he tracked the Surfer down, but that's besides tha point. All of the Heralds were granted with the ability to find distant planets due to CA.

Classic when you're wrong you become an annoyingly immature boy.I recall you doing the same thing with Mr' Masters. Why in the world would I try to show you a thing. I'm correct, and you're wrong. You're also on ignore boy.

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*posts some speculations*

*insults other people when calls on it*

*refuses to post any proof at all*

*says I'm correct and you're wrong*

*puts you on ignore*

Classic, pure classic.

Originally posted by Galan007
leo, i think i'm going to take a page from your book and renounce capital letters when i type. i'm tired of them. 👆

it's like going commando, no? liberating. next step--try and take over the world! frankly, with the brain and darkwing i don't see how we can fail.

nwoot

Originally posted by Stoic
This is what happens when Heralds are written poorly. Cosmic Awareness is the same no matter what hero has it. Captain Mar-Vell had it, and it allows them a level of precognition. The Surfer exhibited this ability when he stopped the Rhino's bull-rush. You can always go to the respect thread and check it out for yourself. Does it make much sense to you that someone can fly through a thick asteroid field doing better than the speed of light and miss every single one, but would not be able to dodge one punch? Like I said, Gladiator would have a difficult time hitting a well written Herald focused on killing him. The power difference between the two is also huge.

I'm going to say this to you one more and then I am going to PM someone...a respectable debater to come in here and explain it because you either lack the ability to comprehend anything, including your own sentences or you are being stubborn as hell. Maybe if I type it in cap lock you'll understand your own freaking words you intelligent young man you. Here you clearly state SURFER USED COSMIC AWARENESS TO STOPPED RHINO'S BULLRUSH.

Now here is where I have to break it down for you because I don't think you can grasp the concept of what your own statement shown above means.

1. Your statement means that Rhino either flew at Surfer in a straight line attacking, but since we know he can't fly, lets scratch that out...or he charged him in a straight line attacking and Surfer used his cosmic awareness to stop said attack.

2. I decided to post this scan...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/1037980-rhino_owns_surfer_part_2_zps032347f9.jpg.html

What do we have here? Let me break this down for you as well, intelligent young man you. Here we have Rhino CHARGING/BULLRUSHING AT SURFER at actually landing the attack to the point that he charge Surfer all the way into a lake.

3. Let me break it down to you what this mean. A). It means that, yes, you are correct, Rhino bullrushed Surfer. B). Did Surfer stop said attack using Cosmic awareness? NO. C). What results did we get? Surfer failed at stopping Rhino's bullrush which goes against your post and he didn't use Cosmic awareness during that instance.

3. You keep bringing up showing that happened BEFORE AND AFTER THE BULLRUSH. Do I, carver9 care about showings that happened before and after the bullrush? I really don't. The only thing I care about is Surfer vs the bullrush vs the use of Cosmic awareness. Now if you bring this up one more got darn time, I'm going to PM a couple of people to explain this in a different fashion that I did. Maybe your comprehension skills would bloom if it came from someone else or a group of respectable people. Who knows.

As for Gladiator vs a solar system destroying blast. Are you crazy or something? I take it back...apologize for the insult. You intelligent young man you. I admitted a couple of pages back that the blast fatigued Gladiator. What I also admitted is that THAT SHOWING poops on the planet busting ft you failed to post as of yet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Do me and yourself a favor. Shut the **** up. You are getting angry for no reason at all. Put up a scan of Morg using CA or shut up. Your arbitrary distribution of powers is ****ing annoying.

That's not a proof at all. Its just a speculation. Superman doesn't has CA and yet he can move across galaxies and find earth back.

facepalm

So it having no low showings means its now as durable as Cap's shield?

😂 This is getting silly. Quit acting like a child.

That's not what happened. Both times Surfer and Morg fought, Surfer went to Morg. Point me to the scan where its even implied that Morg has CA let alone using it. Shouldn't be hard for someone like you, eh?

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Does anyone ever agree with this guy (STOIC)?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to say this to you one more and then I am going to PM someone...a respectable debater to come in here and explain it

I'm already here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok, so IYO, Morg will know exactly what Gradiator will do with the Ebony Brade, and as soon as the bell goes, will take actions to counter it?

I am not as au fait as others with Morg, so some scans wil be nice. What reaction feats does he have? Knowing that someone is about to do something, and actually doing something about it, are two different things.

I ask because obv, as per forum rules, he cannot do anything BEFORE the bell goes, so both opponents will start at the same level. So before the bell goes, he cannot take any actions.

Back to my (hamfisted) analogy, Morg KNOWS (assuming the CA works the way you say it does) that Gladiator is going to speedblitz him coming in from the left at a 35 degree angle, blade outstretched and try and take his head off (or whatever). He can't do anything about it, though.

*Ding ding* the bell rings.

Gladiator speeds off exactly as the CA said it would. Now, does Morg have the reaction speed to duck/move/disarm a speeding Gladiator?

👆 good post.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm already here.

Lol...I was actually going to PM you for real. You was one of my options.

Power Cosmic
http://www.comicvine.com/power-cosmic/4015-41039/

Cosmic Awareness
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmic_Awareness

Originally posted by Stoic
[b]Power Cosmic
http://www.comicvine.com/power-cosmic/4015-41039/

Cosmic Awareness
http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmic_Awareness [/B]

Show him using it.

Tbh, that just sounds like saying Captain Marvel/Black Adam will be undefeated in combat, as the Wisdom of Zehuti/Solomon will turn them into some kind of strategy champions/Dr Strange level spellcasters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbh, that just sounds like saying Captain Marvel/Black Adam will be undefeated in combat, as the Wisdom of Zehuti/Solomon will turn them into some kind of strategy champions/Dr Strange level spellcasters.

That's what I am getting from it as well (even though Morg has never displayed cosmic awareness).

Lol arguably neither have BA/Billy.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to say this to you one more and then I am going to PM someone...a respectable debater to come in here and explain it because you either lack the ability to comprehend anything, including your own sentences or you are being stubborn as hell. Maybe if I type it in cap lock you'll understand your own freaking words you intelligent young man you. Here you clearly state SURFER USED COSMIC AWARENESS TO STOPPED RHINO'S BULLRUSH.

Now here is where I have to break it down for you because I don't think you can grasp the concept of what your own statement shown above means.

1. Your statement means that Rhino either flew at Surfer in a straight line attacking, but since we know he can't fly, lets scratch that out...or he charged him in a straight line attacking and Surfer used his cosmic awareness to stop said attack.

2. I decided to post this scan...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/1037980-rhino_owns_surfer_part_2_zps032347f9.jpg.html

What do we have here? Let me break this down for you as well, intelligent young man you. Here we have Rhino CHARGING/BULLRUSHING AT SURFER at actually landing the attack to the point that he charge Surfer all the way into a lake.

3. Let me break it down to you what this mean. A). It means that, yes, you are correct, Rhino bullrushed Surfer. B). Did Surfer stop said attack using Cosmic awareness? NO. C). What results did we get? Surfer failed at stopping Rhino's bullrush which goes against your post and he didn't use Cosmic awareness during that instance.

3. You keep bringing up showing that happened BEFORE AND AFTER THE BULLRUSH. Do I, carver9 care about showings that happened before and after the bullrush? I really don't. The only thing I care about is Surfer vs the bullrush vs the use of Cosmic awareness. Now if you bring this up one more got darn time, I'm going to PM a couple of people to explain this in a different fashion that I did. Maybe your comprehension skills would bloom if it came from someone else or a group of respectable people. Who knows.

As for Gladiator vs a solar system destroying blast. Are you crazy or something? I take it back...apologize for the insult. You intelligent young man you. I admitted a couple of pages back that the blast fatigued Gladiator. What I also admitted is that THAT SHOWING poops on the planet busting ft you failed to post as of yet.

What exactly did you say here? Carver were you actually trying to dance around me while making no points at all? What exactly did you contribute to this discussion? You actually came off like a first class air head. Seriously, go back and read what you wrote. It barely makes any sense, as you seemed to tie yourself up in knots of non specific points, saturated in off topic red herrings and strawman tactics. We have since evolved to newer points of interest so please do try to keep up. but if we have to revisit the Surfer vs Rhino incident, my main point was the context behind the encounter, which you failed to recognize, therefore I simply gave up, and moved to more concrete ground that you might be able to understand.

You did not once address Morg's ability to blast Gladiator before he ever reached him, nor will you ever get scans of a similar confrontation as the one presented in this thread, because for one; Gladiator has never fought Morg, and two, Gladiator has never possessed the Ebony Blade, or shown any hard experience in combat with a sword.

I've heard many weak arguments to the point that people attempted to nearly strip Morg of the power cosmic that Galactus imbued him with, to claiming that the Ebony Blade would cut right through his axe, when the axe has never been compromised in it's entire history. There was even a lie put out that Morg was unable to locate planets for Galactus to feed on. Are these the types of people that you are going to PM to help you get something across to me? You can have a million people say the same thing, but if they are wrong they are wrong.

If Morg did not possess Cosmic Awareness, then he would not even be able to find his way back across the universe to get back into Galactus' ship, and we all know that this is not the case... right? I can only hope at this point that we can agree on that little point. I posted the definition of what the PC, and CA does for whatever character possesses them.

Now in a forum debate we leave out PIS if I am correct, because PIS is what is written in comics to give the story a little flavor, because if not, guys like Galactus would kill guys like Captain America when he begins firing off beams of destruction. Just an example, no need to chase the rabbit here if you know what I mean. In other words, if a character has Universal Awareness or Cosmic Awareness in a forum debate, it means that they can detect when they're lives are in danger, despite them being total block heads which Morg was transformed into. This does not mean that he's going to stand there, and get his head cut off while knowing that this would happen if he didn't respond. Are you still with me?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbh, that just sounds like saying Captain Marvel/Black Adam will be undefeated in combat, as the Wisdom of Zehuti/Solomon will turn them into some kind of strategy champions/Dr Strange level spellcasters.

I did say that he could be hit. I know that you read this from me. The thing here is that what stops him from hitting Gladiator?

Originally posted by carver9
Show him using it.

Now should i ask you the same question? Do I have to type in full block for you to understand? He always used it. How do you think he tracked planets? Do you also think that Galactus made Morg to sit on his hands instead of finding worlds to feed him with? Do you require a scan of this as well? Or are you able to think logically enough to surmise that Morg actually did find worlds for the guy that gave him the power to do so? Now let's see if you understood that.

Originally posted by Stoic
I did say that he could be hit. I know that you read this from me. The thing here is that what stops him from hitting Gladiator?

Gladiator's speed, plus durability, plus Ebony Blade's enchantments stacking?

I mean , you keep bringing Gladiator's CIS into play (he doesn't know how to use a sword! He's unskilled etc).

What about Morg's CIS? Just because he has the CA (which is a separate matter) does not mean he uses it in battle. Hence my example of the Marvel family.

So there are three points you haven't really addressed:

1. Does he have CA (although, tbf to you, you've tried);
2. Does he use this in battle (which hasn't been addressed);
3. Even if he has it, and DOES use it, will he have the speed to act on it. You can tell me that a sniper is going to shoot me at 13:05:14:35:12, on the 13th of July, at these exact coordinates, but I couldn't move until AFTER the bullet was fired....I'll still be dead, even if I had developed a fool proof plan to dive to my right when it occured.

Originally posted by Stoic
What exactly did you say here? Carver were you actually trying to dance around me while making no points at all? What exactly did you contribute to this discussion? You actually came off like a first class air head. Seriously, go back and read what you wrote. It barely makes any sense, as you seemed to tie yourself up in knots of non specific points, saturated in off topic red herrings and strawman tactics. We have since evolved to newer points of interest so please do try to keep up. but i we have to revisit the Surfer vs Rhino incident, my main point was the context behind the encounter, which you failed to recognize, therefore I simply gave up, and moved to more concrete ground that you might be able to understand.

you did not once address Morg's ability to blast Gladiator before he ever reached him, nor will you ever get scans of a similar confrontation as the one presented in this thread, because for one; Gladiator has never fought Morg, and two, Gladiator has never possessed the Ebony Blade, or shown any hard experience in combat with a sword.

I've heard many weak arguments to the point that people attempted nearly strip Morg of the power cosmic that Galactus imbued him with, to claiming that the Ebony Blade would cut right through his axe, when the axe has never been compromised in it's entire history. There was even a lie put out that Morg was unable to locate planets for Galactus to feed on. Are these the types of people that you are going to PM to help you get something across to me? You can have a million people say the same thing, but if they are wrong they are wrong.

If Morg did not possess Cosmic Awareness, then he would not even be able to find his way back across the universe to get back into Galactus' ship, and we all know that this is not the case... right? I can only hope at this point that we can agree on that little point. i posted the definition of what the PC, and CA does or whatever character possesses them.

Now in a forum debate we leave out PIS if i am correct, because PIS is what is written in comics to give the story a little flavor, because if not, guys like Galactus would kill guys like Captain America when he begins firing off beams of destruction. Just an example, no need to chase the rabbit here if you know what I mean. In other words, if a character has Universal Awareness or Cosmic Awareness in a forum debate, it means that they can detect when they're lives are in danger, despite them being total block heads which Morg was transformed into. This does not mean that he's going to stand there, and get his head cut off while know that this would happen if he didn't respond. Are you still with me?

You keep bringing up the Surfer stuff. As for Morg getting off an attack before Gladiator slice him to threads. We need some speed fts from Morg first...not what you THINK he does. Convince people that Morg can react before Gladiator sliced his head off. I know that Gladiator is much, much, much faster (everyone else knows this as well) but I could be proven wrong with evidence.

Question...have you seen Morg in action before? If so, how does he fight? Does he do the things that you say he does?

Originally posted by Stoic
Why can't Morg use an omni blast to stun or outright kill Gladiator? Can someone answer these questions?

The thing is, Morg doesn't fight that way. He's a brawler.